A key factor would seem to be… does ESPN, FOX, or any other potential TV provider value Army and Navy over the likes of Cincinnati, USF, Memphis, Houston or CSU?
This is what it comes down to as it usually does........money. We need tv eyes.
A key factor would seem to be… does ESPN, FOX, or any other potential TV provider value Army and Navy over the likes of Cincinnati, USF, Memphis, Houston or CSU?
Welcome. Are you related to CaptainEric35? If so, I think we may know each other.
Why the rush to get OU/TX out before the end of the contract? Outside of a PAC invite for the '24 season, the longer it takes to pay off the FULL early exit fee, the better. 1) TCU collects the biggest TV payouts they will ever see again 2) The 8 keep them from having the full benefits of the SEC for as long as possible 3) We get to play them for the next 4 years. When they exit (outside of a possible bowl game match up) I probably will never see a TCU vs. Texas or TCU vs. OU football game again in my lifetime. That makes me really sad. Even though I would like to erase quite a few of those TX games + most others in the '70's
I'd take Cinci and Memphis over the two Florida schools.He said of his initial four of BYU, CSU, UCF and USF, he was told by a good source two of those were slam dunks, two not so much. He assumes BYU and UCF were the slam dunks.
He said he has heard some rumors, then offered up this scenario:
BYU, Air Force, Army and Navy.
Hal Jay then suggested those plus adding BYU and UCF. But then again Hal Jay also asked why not Houston and SMU.
Thoughts?
I know captain Morgan!! We’re good friendsI didn't know there was a CaptainEric35, so probably not.
This. CSU has terrible game attendance and is NOT a value add for the Big 12.For the love of God, why do people think CSU and the service candidates are viable candidates?
Neither USF or CSU has competed at a high level consistenyl/recently... But if you think CSU has more potential upside than USF to become a winner with a following, I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska.
There is a reason Army is buried on CBS Sports Network and not on CBS on Saturdays.A key factor would seem to be… does ESPN, FOX, or any other potential TV provider value Army and Navy over the likes of Cincinnati, USF, Memphis, Houston or CSU?
so everyone on here infers you have some level of inside knowledge - yet you continue to correlate football performance with attractiveness to conference expansion even though every tv exec involved in expansion and next generation contract discussions with the B12 and other conferences focus the vast majority of the conversation around footprint/eyeballs/buying power of the audienceBE has long advocated CSU... I can tell you, with certainty, they won't make the cut if the Big 12 only goes to 10 or 12.
BYU and UCF are the slam dunks, that's obvious.
The service academies do not make sense. They literally are NOT TRYING TO COMPETE AT A HIGH LEVEL! What do people not understand about this? They play sports, but their mission is creating soldiers and leaders first and foremost. That is never going to change.
Just as one reference point, recruiting: The 247 team talent index has Navy, Army, and Air Force at 140, 150, and 200th respectively amongst the 230 schools they track nationwide. Regardless of their ability to use unique systems to improve on field performance and the ability to get some eyeballs on otherwise bad teams/games, they are not a fit for any serious football conference.
If the new Big 12 wants to be at all serious about playing football at a high level, you either need to literally be TRYING to do that, or have Kansas level basketball influence. None of the academies are even in the ballpark.
He said of his initial four of BYU, CSU, UCF and USF, he was told by a good source two of those were slam dunks, two not so much. He assumes BYU and UCF were the slam dunks.
He said he has heard some rumors, then offered up this scenario:
BYU, Air Force, Army and Navy.
Hal Jay then suggested those plus adding BYU and UCF. But then again Hal Jay also asked why not Houston and SMU.
Thoughts?
USF has to get their own stadium before consideration IMO. They play at the Tampa Bay Bucs stadium and bring like 10k people per game. It's like SMU level support at their games...
BYU, BOISE, UCF and CINCY
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Done. It’s not quite a power league but it’s light years better than anything in the G conferences
Franky speaking, I think it would be better than what the Pac 12 has rolled out for the past several years. If this new B12 group scheduled a head to head series with them I think there's a damn good chance we'd end up on top.It might not receive an auto-bid, but just in terms football ability on the field, it might be on par with the P12 right now.
Also, if this “Alliance” thing really works, the SEC may need a conference scheduling partner of their own. ……and after the B12 expansion cripples the AAC, the B12 is their obvious choice.