KillerFrog InD KitchenSink
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I get and respect your skepticism. It's a healthy thing to be skeptical.Well, then risk assessment is not the CDC's or AAP's thing either.
But not as healthy as getting the vaccine!
I get and respect your skepticism. It's a healthy thing to be skeptical.Well, then risk assessment is not the CDC's or AAP's thing either.
I get your point, but I am concerned about "the long tail" risk with Covid, tbh. We already know about MIS-C, long covid, etc. I'd rather avoid those with the vaccine in my teenagers. I totally get and respect others making a different determination, and waiting for full FDA approval is a totally reasonable approach.
Why do I care if others get vaccinated?
Because you are spreading the virus which is getting people sick and heading us towards another lockdown! Because I want this [ #2020 ] to be over with!
How scheissing dumb can you be.
I don't have time to delve into every point you made and still have a job at the end of today, but I'm not sure how to came up with your numbers with your supposed search.Whoever told you that VAERS claims 11,000 people have died due to receiving the COVID vaccine.
No, it does not. First of all, OpenVAERS main page lists that number, but if you click on it you can see it lists ALL alleged vaccine deaths.
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So unless you think some kid in 1989 died of both the MMR vaccine AND the COVID19 vaccine, dig a little deeper next time.
If you filter it down using their website, you see 6,741 deaths.
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At absolute worst, VAERS claims about 6,700 deaths (as of last week) died at some point after receiving the vaccine. You shifted the claim to a causal relationship when VAERS makes no such claim. In fact, they specifically reject that claim on their actual website: "The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines."
So even if you accept VAERS data is valid, itself not something that is advisable, you have not established a causal relationship that you are claiming.
This is also wrong. There have been several studies confirming the causal relationship with the official figure, as does studies in US excess death figures.
It certainly is not. Here are US COVID deaths broken down by age as of a few weeks ago.
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The only numbers here that are under your 11,000 death claim (again, a number almost twice the unverified claim) are the under 40's. So unless you are suggesting some combination of 320+ U-17's, 2,500+ 18-29 year olds, and/or 7,000+ 30-39 year olds have died from the COVID vaccine, the objective data shows that COVID presents a larger risk than the vaccine does.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh for crying out loud, now you're the one blindly accepting what some con artist is peddling without critical thinking. You're being duped, dude.
VAERS most certainly does not show 11,000 "COVID vaccine related deaths", and you know that. First, you know darn well that database is user-submitted and not verified, but even if you were to accept that every report in the database is true, that is deliberately misreading data for a purpose that the people who aggregate the data specifically reject (of course, that's where one needs to leap to "of course they'd say that, they are covering up"). For someone that spent the last 15 months screaming "comorbidity" and "most were going to die anyway" to anyone that would listen when discussing the 620,000 COVID deaths, you really just accept this 11,000 death claim at face value and uncritically? You attempt to sleight of hand"death following vaccine" in to a causal relation of "vaccine related deaths"? Gee, it's almost as if there's a bias going on.
Again, even according to the FDA and other entities, there is a small risk associated with the vaccine. It is nowhere near the number you're spreading, by every single account. More importantly, the undeniable and objective fact is that across every single age group the risk is significantly less than the risk COVID presents.
Look, if you don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine. I totally agree that it is your choice to do as you please, just as you as a free market guy I'm sure totally agree that it is others' choice to not do business with unvaccinated individuals if they don't want to. If you want to say "look, I'm uncomfortable with it, I'll wait and see" then cool. The data isn't on your side, but I get the fear of the unknown. Fine. There's just no need to be dishonest about it.
Nobody is saying "shut up and get the shot", but your objections are not free from criticism either. If you come up with silly and factually incorrect claims to justify your decision, you are going to get pushback for people calling them out as exactly that.
Why would we lockdown again if it's a bunch of unvaccinated people getting sick?
I think a reasonable take, especially since under 12 seem to act like vaccinated adults in terms of severe disease and infectiousness. I will be surprised if they ever go EUA for the vaccine under 12.Fair enough. I strongly believe we shouldn't be recommending the vaccine in anyone below 17. If we want to give the option to 12-17, fair enough, but I hope it's not ever recommended like it is for adults. And anyone under 12 shouldn't have access ever
It may not be a full lockdown again but any restrictions, including travel or even having to wear a mask indoors again and with limited capacities will all be on the anti vax morons.
If you don't like Covid and want it to end get the vax. If you like living in Covid and want to support covid don't get the fax, it is that simple.
Once again, I ask, why would we lockdown again if the only risk to to unvaccinated people? That would be idiotic and it's not going to happen. As a vaccinated person myself, I'm not wearing a mask regardless of what anyone tells me. That's why I got the vaccine and don't care what anyone else does.
Bro, any restrictions to life because of anti vax morons is unacceptable to me.
I think this is the wrong way to approach the discussion. I think we have to respect and even admire vaccine hesitancy. I mean this is an EUA (emergency use authorization) vaccine, there is still more information coming out, and Covid is a complicated disease with different risks at different age groups. On an individual level being hesitant is a completely reasonable approach. The NYT had an article looking at why people who were hesitant changed their minds and got the vaccine. There were three reasons-Bro, any restrictions to life because of anti vax morons is unacceptable to me.
I think this is the wrong way to approach the discussion. I think we have to respect and even admire vaccine hesitancy. I mean this is an EUA (emergency use authorization) vaccine, there is still more information coming out, and Covid is a complicated disease with different risks at different age groups. On an individual level being hesitant is a completely reasonable approach. The NYT had an article looking at why people who were hesitant changed their minds and got the vaccine. There were three reasons-
1. Seeing that millions of other Americans have been safely vaccinated.
2. Hearing pro-vaccine messages from doctors, friends and relatives.
3. Learning that not being vaccinated will prevent people from doing some things.
Notice, none changed their minds because they were belittled as "anti-vax morons".
I think this is the wrong way to approach the discussion. I think we have to respect and even admire vaccine hesitancy. I mean this is an EUA (emergency use authorization) vaccine, there is still more information coming out, and Covid is a complicated disease with different risks at different age groups. On an individual level being hesitant is a completely reasonable approach. The NYT had an article looking at why people who were hesitant changed their minds and got the vaccine. There were three reasons-
1. Seeing that millions of other Americans have been safely vaccinated.
2. Hearing pro-vaccine messages from doctors, friends and relatives.
3. Learning that not being vaccinated will prevent people from doing some things.
Notice, none changed their minds because they were belittled as "anti-vax morons".
hiphop just hates Blacks and Hispanics.
I was thinking the same thing, lol.So, does TCU require a Covid vaccine for students?
So, does TCU require a Covid vaccine for students?
If Pfizer gets full FDA approval in the next couple of months, which is certainly possible (currently under review now with a January deadline I believe), I could see a scenario where more companies and institutions start requiring it. EUA vaccines is a tough sell, but fully approved? That could get interesting.I was thinking the same thing, lol.