FWST: Gary Patterson exit is not amicable as fans should fear TCU without their GP

[Spike]

If GP was being required to dump Kill, why would Kill take the interim job? Doesn’t add up.

Of this staff he's probably the most qualified for the next few weeks. Tells me that they are ready for a full house cleaning.

 

[froginmn]

I know the story to an extent, and it's a weird one. I can't imagine having that kind of contingency/requirement/request tied to a donation.

Some people want to see the result of a huge gift they're giving. What's so weird about that?

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

Not sure how accurate that is to start. First of all the offense wasn't the big problem with this team.

Oh, the offense has rapidly become as big a problem as the defense.

 

[froginmn]

I'm not a donor or season ticket holder.
Never have been.
I however am a graduate.
That being said, it's hard to blame a man who stays true to himself to the very end.
His drive and personality were the reasons for his success and his followers embraced him.
Now those same traits are being vilified to some degree.
Loyalty to a fault is acceptable in my book.
Reminds me a bit of my old man.

That same loyalty is likely what kept him at TCU long enough to go to three BCS/NY6 games. A less loyal guy would have chased bigger jobs.

 

[Wexahu]

Some people want to see the result of a huge gift they're giving. What's so weird about that?

Maybe I don't know the story well enough. You mean they donated $5M-10 or whatever it was for the statue?

I thought they donated money and made it a stipulation that the statue be put up. Yeah, I think that's kind of odd. Especially when the guy being "honored" is against it.

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

I know the story to an extent, and it's a weird one. I can't imagine having that kind of contingency/requirement/request tied to a donation.

The donor that paid for it was dying and wanted it placed while he was still alive. GP wasn't in favor of it, but agreed to it as a favor to the donor.

 

[Pharm Frog]

Oh, the offense has rapidly become as big a problem as the defense.

Nope. But pretty sure the final scores are the same for the offense and the defense.

 

[Wexahu]

The donor that paid for it was dying and wanted it placed while he was still alive.

I know that. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make it any less weird. I just can't imagine having that kind of request when I'm on my death bed, that a statue be put up of a football coach before I go.

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

I know that. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make it any less weird. I just can't imagine having that kind of request when I'm on my death bed, that a statue be put up of a football coach before I go.

What's so weird about consenting to one of the end of life wishes of someone that has given the school and football program a lot of money?

What's always been weird to me is naming the field after one guy, but making the name on it sound like it's two people.

 

[Wexahu]

What's so weird about consenting to one of the end of life wishes of someone that has given the school and football program a lot of money.

What's always been weird to me is naming the field after one guy, but making the name on it sound like it's two people.

I'm not saying it's weird what TCU did, I'm saying the end of life wish from the donor was weird. And it was especially weird in light of the fact that GP was against it.

 

[HFrog1999]

I know that. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make it any less weird. I just can't imagine having that kind of request when I'm on my death bed, that a statue be put up of a football coach before I go.

Rich people are weird


Because they can afford to be

 

[Virginia Frog]

20 seasons without changing head coaches is pretty incredible.

Im also prepared for this to either go the route of OU - replace a legend with a bright young coaching mind (to a lesser scale) OR the route of Florida and Texas. Fumble it around a few times after replacing a legend (Mack & Urban) again, to a lesser scale.

And given the current 4-4 record of 2021 (and a "should've been" L to lowly TCU to be 3-5!) Texas STILL may be in the coaching wilderness to date (hopefully a losing record this season!) How many YEARS has it been since they paid adieu to Mack?

 

[Westsider]

So Gary told you personally that Sonny Dykes told him that TCU reps called him to gauge his interest in the TCU job? How often do you and Gary chat?

In Fly's defense (and I don't know him), I wouldn't doubt what he says about this situation because he does know GP. Now whether he's talked directly with GP since this happened.... idk.

 

[Virginia Frog]

Of this staff he's probably the most qualified for the next few weeks. Tells me that they are ready for a full house cleaning.

I wonder and will probably never know, did GP "suggest" JK for the HC-temporary role. Gettin' his old bud a big fat paycheck for 4 weeks. Pretty good tactic on GP's part then! (Can JK go 4-0? I'm dreaming sports fans.)

 

[Spike]

I wonder and will probably never know, did GP "suggest" JK for the HC-temporary role. Gettin' his old bud a big fat paycheck for 4 weeks. Pretty good tactic on GP's part then! (Can JK go 4-0? I'm dreaming sports fans.)

On this staff who else would you suggest?

 

[traderfrog]

I've seen some talk about how strange it was to fire Gary after 20+ years, and others say he deserved to go with a losing 4-year record. So I ran the numbers to find out: how many head coaches with a losing record over the past 4 years are still around, and haven't been fired?

For the Power Five teams, there are 22 teams that have a losing 4-year record. Of that, only 4 of 22 still have that head coach from over 4 years ago.

Teams that kept their coach: Syracuse, Duke, Rutgers, Cal

Teams that fired their coach: Ole Miss, North Carolina, Tennessee, Colorado, Purdue, Texas Tech, Maryland, Louisville, Florida St, South Carolina, UCLA, Nebraska, Oregon S, Illinois, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Arizona, Kansas.

I'm not necessarily saying Gary should have been fired or not, but just looking at that list I'd say it is very common to fire a coach with the recent record that he had. Again, Gary has a much more decorated past than any of the coaches above. But still, generally speaking, at that win percentage in recent years most coaches do get let go.

 

[OmniscienceFrog]

In Fly's defense (and I don't know him), I wouldn't doubt what he says about this situation because he does know GP. Now whether he's talked directly with GP since this happened.... idk.

That's good, then he should be able to answer those questions.

 

[froginmn]

On this staff who else would you suggest?

Most commonly it's the OC (umm, I don't really know who that is) or the DC (umm, same issue).

 

[Salfrog]

I thought Kill got knocked the scheiss out by D-Bo after the SMU game from what GP said? Has he fully recovered from that yet?

 

[Fiscuits]

That same loyalty is likely what kept him at TCU long enough to go to three BCS/NY6 games. A less loyal guy would have chased bigger jobs.

He did chase bigger jobs. Three of them...Minnesota, Tennessee and Arkansas. He was actually out the door to Arkansas until they backtracked and hired Bobby Petrino.

He tried to leave three times on record and couldn't...they didn't pick him. Just saying. If you're going to have an argument, base it on facts at least.