Diehards: Deante Gray calls debate over paying players ‘laughable’ after NCAA earnings report

[MinerFrog2409]

Hey, Miner, have you ever tried to pay for all this, rent, car, insurance, phone, etc, without getting a damn dime from the school and without getting tuition, books, six meals a week? Try it some time.

And as I stated before, I am lucky that I had parents that could help me out if I ever was in a position where this didn't work. But there were plenty of kids who didn't have that option. I was the exception to the rule to have that financial stability from my family.

 

[Surfrog]

Hey, Miner, have you ever tried to pay for all this, rent, car, insurance, phone, etc, without getting a damn dime from the school and without getting tuition, books, six meals a week? Try it some time.

Hey Brog, you had the freedom to take any job you wanted. Miner did not. Did you have to preform physical labor for 30+ hours per week and average 45 BEFORE school and classes ? No you did not. Did you have to spend your entire summer at the facility training? No you did not. Did your work bring in millions to the university? No you did not.

 

[Hoosierfrog]

why do you continually to pick verbiage that misrepresents the situation?

it is simply failure to provide appropriate compensation for the usage of services and/or likeness

the school provides the education opportunities, networking etc...but the ncaa provides????

NCAA provides tournaments for one.

Look, the NCAA may have its faults. But just because they make money doesn’t mean anyone has any rights to that money. Just my opinion. As I have stated twice, if anyone feels differently they always go the Listenbee route and try and get some.

 

[MinerFrog2409]

NCAA provides tournaments for one.

Look, the NCAA may have its faults. But just because they make money doesn’t mean anyone has any rights to that money. Just my opinion. As I have stated twice, if anyone feels differently they always go the Listenbee route and try and get some.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/coll...ettlement-ncaa-scholarship-lawsuit/875055001/

The NCAA has already started losing this fight. There's a reason they are paying $208 million to ex college athletes. You may not like it or agree with it but the reasons we are stating in this thread are some of the focal points of this lawsuit.

 

[Hoosierfrog]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/coll...ettlement-ncaa-scholarship-lawsuit/875055001/

The NCAA has already started losing this fight. There's a reason they are paying $208 million to ex college athletes. You may not like it or agree with it but the reasons we are stating in this thread are some of the focal points of this lawsuit.

And for the third time, if someone wants to get a piece of the pie, sue. It’s what America does.

 

[BABYFACE]

yes it is about money and who is making money off whose services and likeness. the organization that prevents players from working makes over a billion dollars a year in their current tv contract for the tournament.

And that money is redistributed back to the conferences and those schools that operate in the red. The NCAA doesn’t get to keep all that bank. They don’t have billions of dollars locked up in a Swiss bank account.

As for CFB, TV money and bowl money go direct to the conferences and schools.

 

[Eight]

And for the third time, if someone wants to get a piece of the pie, sue. It’s what America does.

ed o'bannon did and won.

 

[Chico Dusty]

And that is exactly my point. Seems easy, but when you break it down and start asking a bunch of what ifs (which WILL always get asked), it gets really, really complicated.

Regarding the jersey issue - the NCAA could allow the player’s name on the back, so they could allocate the appropriate funds to the correct player.

 

[Eight]

And that money is redistributed back to the conferences and those schools that operate in the red. The NCAA doesn’t get to keep all that bank. They don’t have billions of dollars locked up in a Swiss bank account.

As for CFB, TV money and bowl money go direct to the conferences and schools.

the full 1.1 b is not distributed back to the schools and the conferences. multiple articles have been written about the difference between what the ncaa takes in, what the portray is being distributed, and what is actually dispensed.

very similar to some charities, churches, and bowl committees. way too much revenue gets eating up by various administrative costs.

in theory the biggest expenses in the ncaa budget should be compliance and enforcement and yet that pales to top tier administrative compensations. reminds me of some school districts where the biggest budget items are debt service and off campus administration.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

i didn't say tcu, i said a third party that not only profited off your likeness, but restricted your ability to do so much as get a part time job.

The NCAA had a net profit of about $103 million last year. If you distributed that to all 460,000 Division 1 athletes, they would each get about $224 for the entire year.

The NCAA distributed $564 million to the schools. But given that only a few athletic departments operate at a profit, I think it’s fair to say the schools spent that money operating the very departments necessary to keep these student athletes on the field / court / course / pool, etc. So there wouldn’t be much, if any, leftover to give to the student athletes if they did try to pay them.

Paying the athletes is a stupid idea if you like college sports. It will destroy college sports.

Now, if you are into social justice, then advocating for paying college athletes is a great idea. Just remember, when college sports die, NOBODY will make any money from them, and NOBODY will be able to participate in them or watch them play.

All because they didn’t get their $224.

 

[Wexahu]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/coll...ettlement-ncaa-scholarship-lawsuit/875055001/

The NCAA has already started losing this fight. There's a reason they are paying $208 million to ex college athletes. You may not like it or agree with it but the reasons we are stating in this thread are some of the focal points of this lawsuit.

And if the NCAA folds up shop, universities are going to lose their ass on athletics because there will be far less interest and money flowing through the sport. There go the "full ride" scholarships. Would everyone be happy then?

People don't watch football and basketball games in droves just because these kids are really good at what they do and they enjoy watching kids try and advance a ball over a line. In and of itself that is not that interesting. The NCAA and what they do to organize and structure the sports and put on tournaments is what creates the market as much as anything. If these guys want to play pro sports, have at it and good luck. But for the NCAA to be what it is, they have to have these rules in place, otherwise its pro sports and nobody will care. Just like nobody cares about minor league baseball or D-league basketball.

 

[Wexahu]

The NCAA had a net profit of about $103 million last year. If you distributed that to all 460,000 Division 1 athletes, they would each get about $224 for the entire year.

The NCAA distributed $564 million to the schools. But given that only a few athletic departments operate at a profit, I think it’s fair to say the schools spent that money operating the very departments necessary to keep these student athletes on the field / court / course / pool, etc. So there wouldn’t be much, if any, leftover to give to the student athletes if they did try to pay them.

Paying the athletes is a stupid idea if you like college sports. It will destroy college sports.

Now, if you are into social justice, then advocating for paying college athletes is a great idea. Just remember, when college sports die, NOBODY will make any money from them, and NOBODY will be able to participate in them or watch them play.

All because they didn’t get their $224.

Perfectly said.

 

[DickBumpastache]

The NCAA had a net profit of about $103 million last year. If you distributed that to all 460,000 Division 1 athletes, they would each get about $224 for the entire year.

The NCAA distributed $564 million to the schools. But given that only a few athletic departments operate at a profit, I think it’s fair to say the schools spent that money operating the very departments necessary to keep these student athletes on the field / court / course / pool, etc. So there wouldn’t be much, if any, leftover to give to the student athletes if they did try to pay them.

Paying the athletes is a stupid idea if you like college sports. It will destroy college sports.

Now, if you are into social justice, then advocating for paying college athletes is a great idea. Just remember, when college sports die, NOBODY will make any money from them, and NOBODY will be able to participate in them or watch them play.

All because they didn’t get their $224.

Another socialist...had no idea people would forsake their traditional values to ensure that college athletes don’t get paid.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

the full 1.1 b is not distributed back to the schools and the conferences. multiple articles have been written about the difference between what the ncaa takes in, what the portray is being distributed, and what is actually dispensed.

very similar to some charities, churches, and bowl committees. way too much revenue gets eating up by various administrative costs.

in theory the biggest expenses in the ncaa budget should be compliance and enforcement and yet that pales to top tier administrative compensations. reminds me of some school districts where the biggest budget items are debt service and off campus administration.

You didn’t read the financial report that was linked in the article. $560 million — half the revenue — was distributed to schools as an expense. $170 million was used to operate championships (all divisions). $188 million was spent on various association programs. $40 million was spent on administration and management.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

Another socialist...had no idea people would forsake their traditional values to ensure that college athletes don’t get paid.

Whatever, tough guy.

Show us the business plan to pay college athletes and keep the NCAA and the schools from losing a [ Finebaum ]-ton of money.

 

[DickBumpastache]

Whatever, tough guy.

Show us the business plan to pay college athletes and keep the NCAA and the schools from losing a [ steaming pile of Orgeron ]-ton of money.

Who gives a damn if the NCAA loses money? Have you seen their headquarters? Have you seen the administrators’ salaries?

We have known for decades that the NCAA is a bloated, corrupt organization built on the exploitation of unpaid labor and disguised in the sham of amateurism. I’d be perfectly fine taking a machete to the NCAA’s budget.

The schools are complicit as well. I’d love to hear the reasoning for Jimbo Fisher getting $7.5 million a season while the players get nothing.

 

[RollToad]

Not reading this whole thread but I bet it sucks.

 

[Eight]

knew it was a matter of time for the college athletics armageddon argument to be used.

first, it is very possible to have a world class university that does not have college sponsored scholarship athletic programs. we know this because there are some in the us and around the world. if i am not mistaken the ncaa model is the only one of its type in the world.

doesn't make it bad or good. simply it is the model used in america.

the problem in all of this is there is no easy clear cut answer. there is no simple equation. someone mentions the number of athletic scholarships that would disappear at tcu if there were no sports. some good people on first glance would lose the chance for a college education, but would more academic scholarship be available if the schools focus was on building the endowment instead of buildings?

isn't just at tcu. texas spent $7m on renovating their football locker room. money well spent if you look at the recruiting class, but if there was no college sponsored sports and that money was used for scholarship which has a bigger impact on the long term health of the school?

college sports on purely numbers sake are not a very efficient utilization of a large amount of resources. tcu's athletic budget was just under $100M for some 600 scholarship athletes. on surface not a great deal, but there are a number of factors which makes it difficult to truly value the impact.

 

[LVH]

Honestly I get why athletes aren't being paid a lot of money but I do think that there should be some livable wage given. I got $755 a month on top of tuition, books and 6 meals a week. So I had to make that work for my rent and the 2 other meals of the day and whatever else I wanted for the month. There were also charges for things such as parking passes that cost hundreds of dollars a year. I wasn't getting those as part of my full scholarship. Luckily I come from a family that was able to supplement me if I ever needed money but that wasn't the case for most of my teammates. I remember multiple guys who were less fortunate than me having to steal food to make ends meet. A full scholarship isn't really a full scholarship. I know my situation at a smaller D1 school is not the exact same as a guy who goes to TCU but there are definitely areas for improvement in student athlete life and wages.

You could have lived on campus and not had to worry about rent, but no, you had to live off campus and rely on your monthly stipend check.

I remember multiple guys who were less fortunate than me having to steal food to make ends meet.

Because they were idiots who didnt know how to manage their money. If you chose to live on campus, your scholarship would also pay for a meal plan. If you chose to live off campus and forgo having your housing/meal plan paid for, it was on YOU to make use of your off campus check. Too scheissing bad if these people decided to use it on booze and useless junk instead of food/housing.

 

[LVH]

Yes they are able to go to school at a great university for free. But they will generally be funneled into multi disciplinary studies or another major with a small workload.

So they are forced to participate in throwaway majors? They have no choice?