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Diehards: Deante Gray calls debate over paying players ‘laughable’ after NCAA earnings report

netty2424

Full Member
That $1.1 billion is total revenue also. Figure about 10% profit so you can divide the $2400 by 10 :) . I'm in favor of college players getting more money to live on and have in general but them looking at the total revenue and claiming entitlement (Johnny Manziel's tweet another example) sort of gets me chapped.


JM had the money. Unfortunately his involvement in the meth business turned out to be an unwise investment.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
I never really got this argument. Sure most of us would love to play sports for our school, but the bottom line is the overwhelming majority of us lack the talent to do so.

So the question isn't how many can play football at TCU, the question is how many of us can play football at a level that could compete, how many can play at a level that would draw 40k+ fans in the stands to watch us? How many have the talent to produce an on the field product that sells for hundreds of millions of dollars to television networks?

Much smaller number there, and as a result the demand is much higher for those that can.

What don’t you understand? It’s all about choices. No one makes them accept scholarships. When they were high school athletes were they hoping to get paid? My guess most were striving to be noticed by a D1 university for the opportunity to play big time football. I never heard a high school kid being recruited talk about compensation.

Perhaps all of us that went to TCU should ask for piece of the pie too. If not for a student body there would be no school, no stadium, no fans, no teams, etc ad nauseasm.
 

DickBumpastache

Active Member
It’s SOOOOOO much easier said than done. I constantly see people advocating for paying the players but I NEVER see any of them put forth a plan for how to actually do it.

Does a starter get more than a backup? Does a kid at UT get more than a kid at Rice? Does a male basketball player get more than a female? Does a football player get more than a baseball player? Do non revenue sport athletes get anything?......

There have been plenty of alternatives suggested over the years; you just either don’t like them or are willfully ignoring them.

2nd paragraph reads like an advocation for continuing the status quo, which is basically socialism. Are you a socialist?

There is literally no other realm where people are withheld pay while others use their likenesses to make hundreds of millions of dollars them. It’s insanity.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
I just have a problem with the "you get a free education" line. Yes they are able to go to school at a great university for free. But they will generally be funneled into multi disciplinary studies or another major with a small workload. Again not saying this happens at every school but it happens more than people are willing to talk about. Many college athletes end up going back to school or have to miss football activities to pursue a degree that will do them any good in the future.

Funneled and forced are very different. No one makes the Rhodes Scholar Athletes take a light load.
 

Eight

Member
What don’t you understand? It’s all about choices. No one makes them accept scholarships. When they were high school athletes were they hoping to get paid? My guess most were striving to be noticed by a D1 university for the opportunity to play big time football. I never heard a high school kid being recruited talk about compensation.

Perhaps all of us that went to TCU should ask for piece of the pie too. If not for a student body there would be no school, no stadium, no fans, no teams, etc ad nauseasm.


if during your time at tcu someone used your services and likeness to generate income would you have an issue with that?

not the school which offered you a scholarship and was providing an educational opportunity, but a third party organization that actually not only made money off or your services and likeness it also told you that you could not have a part time job while at school.

interesting concept when you consider that during the ncaa tournament when you will have 40,000+ in the alamo dome at the final 4 the only people who are not allowed to get a job if they want one are the basketball teams that people are paying to watch.
 

Zubaz

Member
What don’t you understand? It’s all about choices. No one makes them accept scholarships.
This isn't a great argument, and is often used to excuse any number of exploitative or inappropriate relationships or offers. Yeah nobody made them accept scholarships, nobody made them play football, doesn't make the situation morally correct.

When they were high school athletes were they hoping to get paid? My guess most were striving to be noticed by a D1 university for the opportunity to play big time football. I never heard a high school kid being recruited talk about compensation.
I could be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge very few high school athletics organizations are generating $1.1 billion in revenue. Very few high schools are getting $25 million checks from television networks or on ABC Primetime. Very few high schools are drawing between 50k-100k to their stadiums.

College athletics, specifically college basketball and football, are spectator sports to a degree that does not exist in any high school athletics that I am aware of. Comparing intramural athletics to "amateur" / semi-pro athletics is a pretty faulty comparison on the face of it.

Perhaps all of us that went to TCU should ask for piece of the pie too. If not for a student body there would be no school, no stadium, no fans, no teams, etc
To be clear, you're suggesting that the fan base of a team deserves compensation? So the people of New York...er....Jersey should be paid because without them there's no Giants fans?
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
There have been plenty of alternatives suggested over the years; you just either don’t like them or are willfully ignoring them.

2nd paragraph reads like an advocation for continuing the status quo, which is basically socialism. Are you a socialist?

There is literally no other realm where people are withheld pay while others use their likenesses to make hundreds of millions of dollars them. It’s insanity.

Well, for one it isn’t a job. Second there are similarities in the real world. You pretty much sign over your likeness and ideas while on the job at most places. I have a friend that works for Shell Oil who invented an off shore process to put down pipelines that saved billions. Since he developed it on the job he had no rights to a patent or the the money. Although he may have gotten a bonus or a raise. And this was a real profession, real life, tax paying job and not a part time gig that lasts four or five years.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
This isn't a great argument, and is often used to excuse any number of exploitative or inappropriate relationships or offers. Yeah nobody made them accept scholarships, nobody made them play football, doesn't make the situation morally correct.


I could be wrong, but to the best of my knowledge very few high school athletics organizations are generating $1.1 billion in revenue. Very few high schools are getting $25 million checks from television networks or on ABC Primetime. Very few high schools are drawing between 50k-100k to their stadiums.

College athletics, specifically college basketball and football, are spectator sports to a degree that does not exist in any high school athletics that I am aware of. Comparing intramural athletics to "amateur" / semi-pro athletics is a pretty faulty comparison on the face of it.


To be clear, you're suggesting that the fan base of a team deserves compensation? So the people of New York...er....Jersey should be paid because without them there's no Giants fans?

You misunderstood. I wasn’t talking about high schools paying, I was merely asking do high school athletes think of compensation while hoping to play big time football.

What is amoral about providing the opportunity to get a free education? They know it isn’t employment going in and if they don’t it should be explained ahead of time the difference.
 

Eight

Member
Give kids the option to be paid with no scholarship, or not be paid and take a scholarship.

why do people not grasp this concept. the scholarship comes from the school not the ncaa. the ncaa is a third party that is not only making money off the likeness and services of the athlete, but restricting the athletes ability to even seek a part time job
 

Brog

Full Member
Honestly I get why athletes aren't being paid a lot of money but I do think that there should be some livable wage given. I got $755 a month on top of tuition, books and 6 meals a week. So I had to make that work for my rent and the 2 other meals of the day and whatever else I wanted for the month. There were also charges for things such as parking passes that cost hundreds of dollars a year. I wasn't getting those as part of my full scholarship. Luckily I come from a family that was able to supplement me if I ever needed money but that wasn't the case for most of my teammates. I remember multiple guys who were less fortunate than me having to steal food to make ends meet. A full scholarship isn't really a full scholarship. I know my situation at a smaller D1 school is not the exact same as a guy who goes to TCU but there are definitely areas for improvement in student athlete life and wages.

What! You went to college and they only gave you all tuition, six meals a week, books, plus $755 a month, cash? Oh, the humanity!
 

MinerFrog2409

The offseason sucks
Funneled and forced are very different. No one makes the Rhodes Scholar Athletes take a light load.
If you are a kid on the bubble of playing and not playing and you get told you need to take certain classes you do it. I'm not saying that it's not ultimately the kids choice but if a kid comes to a school to play football he is more likely to do whatever his academic advisers say. So yes they are not forced. But they aren't given many other options.
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
if during your time at tcu someone used your services and likeness to generate income would you have an issue with that?

not the school which offered you a scholarship and was providing an educational opportunity, but a third party organization that actually not only made money off or your services and likeness it also told you that you could not have a part time job while at school.

interesting concept when you consider that during the ncaa tournament when you will have 40,000+ in the alamo dome at the final 4 the only people who are not allowed to get a job if they want one are the basketball teams that people are paying to watch.

If by someone you mean TCU? No, I would not have a problem at all. In fact my likeness has appeared in TCU publications which I assume could be construed as promoting my school.

If Deante thinks he can squeeze the NCAA, go for it. Just don’t damage my alma mater doing it.
 

MinerFrog2409

The offseason sucks
What! You went to college and they only gave you all tuition, six meals a week, books, plus $755 a month, cash? Oh, the humanity!
hey Brog you ever tried to pay all of your rent, car payment, insurance, and phone bill on $755 a month? hit me back when you make it work
 

Hoosierfrog

Tier 1
If you are a kid on the bubble of playing and not playing and you get told you need to take certain classes you do it. I'm not saying that it's not ultimately the kids choice but if a kid comes to a school to play football he is more likely to do whatever his academic advisers say. So yes they are not forced. But they aren't given many other options.

Well if he is on the bubble, he has even more reason to concentrate on that free education. It sounds like he’s going to need it.
 

Froglaw

Full Member
Some athletes are excellent students who go on to be Doctors, lawyers, CEO's, accountants, etc.

Other struggle to pass freshman English 101.

Of course the university adjusts the academic load to fit the abilities of each student athlete. It would be foolish to throw unprepared freshmen athletes into the Honors programs.

I'm proud TCU graduates the majority of its student athletes.

I'm proud that the Frog Club pays the full scholarships for each and every athletic scholarship TCU awards.

That's huge.

TCU gets a Frog Club check for the beach Volleyball scholarships awarded to its student athletes.

For the athlete, it is like getting the keys to a new car that you can drive to any destination that life offers.

It is up to each individual athlete to drive that car down the road that meets their life goals.

A full ride at TCU. Raise your hand if that sounds like a lousy bargain!

I thought so.
 

Eight

Member
If by someone you mean TCU? No, I would not have a problem at all. In fact my likeness has appeared in TCU publications which I assume could be construed as promoting my school.

If Deante thinks he can squeeze the NCAA, go for it. Just don’t damage my alma mater doing it.

i didn't say tcu, i said a third party that not only profited off your likeness, but restricted your ability to do so much as get a part time job.
 

DickBumpastache

Active Member
Well, for one it isn’t a job. Second there are similarities in the real world. You pretty much sign over your likeness and ideas while on the job at most places. I have a friend that works for Shell Oil who invented an off shore process to put down pipelines that saved billions. Since he developed it on the job he had no rights to a patent or the the money. Although he may have gotten a bonus or a raise. And this was a real profession, real life, tax paying job and not a part time gig that lasts four or five years.

And you get paid for it, which you made clear in your self-defeating argument.

It “isn’t a job” because the players don’t get paid. And the players don’t get paid because it “isn’t a job.” Circular logic is fun.
 
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