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82 Frog Fever

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It’s criminal.
It’s darn close. Idk how it works. Who determines who plays? Is that Jimmy Smith, the RB coach, or Briles on the fly, or someone else?
This backfield management is a disgrace.
Coming in, we had 2 really good freshmen in Payne/Palmer with no experience, Cook, Battle, Johnson, & Sanders.
I assume Palmer is red shirting??? Battle gets hurt and Sanders is forever hurt. …..so how does Payne not get 7-10 carries a game in that backfield????
- Dykes/Briles were stupid for not recruiting a legitimate 15-20 carry back from the portal when they had an excellent chance to do so.
- Now someone is responsible for even screwing up what we already had. Johnson and Sanders will be leaving, so they were a waste (so far), and I can just about guarantee that at least one of those 2 freshmen will transfer. They aren’t stupid, they see the mismanagement.

This staff really needs to get to 7 wins to semi-prove themselves; otherwise, the inconsistencies on the field is all that remains to grade this staff. Wins are the only proof we have that progress is being made. Without 7 wins they come up lacking.
 

Limey Frog

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It’s darn close. Idk how it works. Who determines who plays? Is that Jimmy Smith, the RB coach, or Briles on the fly, or someone else?
This backfield management is a disgrace.
Coming in, we had 2 really good freshmen in Payne/Palmer with no experience, Cook, Battle, Johnson, & Sanders.
I assume Palmer is red shirting??? Battle gets hurt and Sanders is forever hurt. …..so how does Payne not get 7-10 carries a game in that backfield????
- Dykes/Briles were stupid for not recruiting a legitimate 15-20 carry back from the portal when they had an excellent chance to do so.
- Now someone is responsible for even screwing up what we already had. Johnson and Sanders will be leaving, so they were a waste (so far), and I can just about guarantee that at least one of those 2 freshmen will transfer. They aren’t stupid, they see the mismanagement.

This staff really needs to get to 7 wins to semi-prove themselves; otherwise, the inconsistencies on the field is all that remains to grade this staff. Wins are the only proof we have that progress is being made. Without 7 wins they come up lacking.
They won't prove anything with less than eight at this point. 'Zona is imploding, Tech should give up 500 yards through the air, Oklahoma State is yet to win a conference game, and if you can't find a way to split two road trips to Baylor and Cincinnati, what are we doing? If we're 8-4 with a hard-fought loss somewhere in the remaining five games, I'll suspend disbelief for another offseason and wait to see the level of discipline and week-to-week readiness next year. 7-5 or worse against this schedule is garbage.

As for who decides who plays, etc. I believe Sonny leaves that to his coordinators. There may be off-field concerns we're all unaware of with any of these guys, but if they're fully available (ie., healthy and not under team discipline) I thinks it's entirely Johnny Tape-Fingers and Avalos's call who plays.
 

82 Frog Fever

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They won't prove anything with less than eight at this point. 'Zona is imploding, Tech should give up 500 yards through the air, Oklahoma State is yet to win a conference game, and if you can't find a way to split two road trips to Baylor and Cincinnati, what are we doing? If we're 8-4 with a hard-fought loss somewhere in the remaining five games, I'll suspend disbelief for another offseason and wait to see the level of discipline and week-to-week readiness next year. 7-5 or worse against this schedule is garbage.

As for who decides who plays, etc. I believe Sonny leaves that to his coordinators. There may be off-field concerns we're all unaware of with any of these guys, but if they're fully available (ie., healthy and not under team discipline) I thinks it's entirely Johnny Tape-Fingers and Avalos's call who plays.
I believe 8 is more of a goal that shows real year over year improvement, especially if a good bowl win is added for 9.
7 wins is we’ve got the bleeding somewhat under control and believe we can improve moving forward. A bowl win added for 8 wins would be a nice trend that shows we’re on the way up.
6 is not acceptable, and some coaching changes should take place. I doubt it will be Dykes (24-15) at a cost of $30m plus maybe half our ‘25 class.

TCU’s current SOS is in the mid 50s (it was 38th in ’23) Meaning it’s in the top 40% with 11 power teams & 1 FCS.
If your schedule is in the top 40%, and you win 58% (7 wins) of those games; then your team is at least ranked in the top 35.
The remaining SOS is 69th, so we definitely have a path to 8.

7-5 + a bowl win puts TCU very close to Top 30 AP rankings. I doubt many people thought TCU had much chance to go from 5-7 to Top 30 in a single season.
Unbelievably, the betting odds say something like that is actually favored.

Makes me wonder if 8+ might have been possible if Cade Bennett, Helm, Glover, & Battle had not gone down.
With Helm in the game over Broughton, UCF was certainly a win.
 

Limey Frog

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I believe 8 is more of a goal that shows real year over year improvement, especially if a good bowl win is added for 9.
7 wins is we’ve got the bleeding somewhat under control and believe we can improve moving forward. A bowl win added for 8 wins would be a nice trend that shows we’re on the way up.
6 is not acceptable, and some coaching changes should take place. I doubt it will be Dykes (24-15) at a cost of $30m plus maybe half our ‘25 class.

TCU’s current SOS is in the mid 50s (it was 38th in ’23) Meaning it’s in the top 40% with 11 power teams & 1 FCS.
If your schedule is in the top 40%, and you win 58% (7 wins) of those games; then your team is at least ranked in the top 35.
The remaining SOS is 69th, so we definitely have a path to 8.

7-5 + a bowl win puts TCU very close to Top 30 AP rankings. I doubt many people thought TCU had much chance to go from 5-7 to Top 30 in a single season.
Unbelievably, the betting odds say something like that is actually favored.

Makes me wonder if 8+ might have been possible if Cade Bennett, Helm, Glover, & Battle had not gone down.
With Helm in the game over Broughton, UCF was certainly a win.
I see your argument. And if seven wins prevents a mass exodus into the portal and/or disintegration of our recruiting class then maybe you're right. But at this point we're at four wins without having convincingly beaten a solid team that entered a game against us in a good place. Utah has no QB, Stanford and Kansas will both finish well under .500, and LIU doesn't count for anything. Suppose we beat Oklahoma State, Arizona, and Baylor teams that each also finish at or below .500, but lose to Tech and Cincinnati. We would have gone two full seasons since losing the group of players that carried us to the national championship game without this staff having orchestrated a single impressive win against a well-organized, equally talented opponent having a good year. Maybe that would hold our recruiting class and current roster together, but it wouldn't assure me that Sonny & Co. have any clue what to do with either.

I will feel a whole lot better if we can comprehensively batter some of the dreck we have left on our schedule, and grind out a really good win at Cincinnati.
 

82 Frog Fever

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I see your argument. And if seven wins prevents a mass exodus into the portal and/or disintegration of our recruiting class then maybe you're right. But at this point we're at four wins without having convincingly beaten a solid team that entered a game against us in a good place. Utah has no QB, Stanford and Kansas will both finish well under .500, and LIU doesn't count for anything. Suppose we beat Oklahoma State, Arizona, and Baylor teams that each also finish at or below .500, but lose to Tech and Cincinnati. We would have gone two full seasons since losing the group of players that carried us to the national championship game without this staff having orchestrated a single impressive win against a well-organized, equally talented opponent having a good year. Maybe that would hold our recruiting class and current roster together, but it wouldn't assure me that Sonny & Co. have any clue what to do with either.

I will feel a whole lot better if we can comprehensively batter some of the dreck we have left on our schedule, and grind out a really good win at Cincinnati.
Yup, I agree. We seem to be between a rock and a hard place.
- If TCU wins only one more game, Dykes could be back. It’s the worst possible scenario. A proven double 5 win failure that we can’t afford fire.
- If Dykes wins 6 or even 7, he’ll be back and many fans will be extremely nervous about the future. Can he actually turn it around, or does he make it even worse.
- For everyone to really feel ok, but still a little nervous. 7 wins + a bowl win.
- Everyone seems to feel pretty good at 8 wins, and at least a strong bowl showing.
 

Wexahu

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Yup, I agree. We seem to be between a rock and a hard place.
- If TCU wins only one more game, Dykes could be back. It’s the worst possible scenario. A proven double 5 win failure that we can’t afford fire.
- If Dykes wins 6 or even 7, he’ll be back and many fans will be extremely nervous about the future. Can he actually turn it around, or does he make it even worse.
- For everyone to really feel ok, but still a little nervous. 7 wins + a bowl win.
- Everyone seems to feel pretty good at 8 wins, and at least a strong bowl showing.
I think you’re making too big of a deal about whether we win 6 or 8 games, as if it’s a program altering thing. We could very easily go 6-6 this year and 10-2 next year, or 8-4 this year and 6-6 next year.
 

Limey Frog

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I think you’re making too big of a deal about whether we win 6 or 8 games, as if it’s a program altering thing. We could very easily go 6-6 this year and 10-2 next year, or 8-4 this year and 6-6 next year.
Do you really it makes no difference to our class and likely transfer portal losses of we win the next five straight or lose three of them? Literally the point of having a football program is to win games rather than lose them.
 

Wexahu

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Do you really it makes no difference to our class and likely transfer portal losses of we win the next five straight or lose three of them? Literally the point of having a football program is to win games rather than lose them.
I do think there is some difference between 9-3 and 4-8, yes, but not as much a difference as many probably think. I think there’s about no difference between 8-4 a d 6-6 in terms of what the next few years is gonna look like.

I understand the point is to win games. I just don’t think there is much carryover. Some of our best seasons happened after bad ones, and vice versa.
 

82 Frog Fever

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I think you’re making too big of a deal about whether we win 6 or 8 games, as if it’s a program altering thing. We could very easily go 6-6 this year and 10-2 next year, or 8-4 this year and 6-6 next year.
I hear ya. The inconsistent play has me confused. I just haven’t been able to figure out if this team is going to be any good.
The 1st half and early 3rd of the UCF game is as good as I have ever seen TCU play. 4 drives resulting in 4 TDs and a 28-7 lead. In spite of all the coaching mistakes, the team had a very good game against UU with many younger players like Bax, M Deal, Jackson, Chapman, Canada, & even Lingren taking quality snaps.
In contrast, the games against SMU & Houston looked like a Sonny Dykes resignation notice.
What would they look like if Cade Bennett, Helm, Glover, & Battle had not gone down?
Everything about this offense is weird. Earle hasn't played since September, same with James. Everhart hasn't played since the opener, Wright has played sparingly, and most of Bailey's touches come on special teams. The WR sets are bizzare. McAlister is by far the best pure WR we have, but he doesn‘t get many snaps & only 18 catches. Why is JP being targeted so much, as Bech and McAlister have much better YAC. We really only use 4 WRs??
I don’t even wanna get into the RBs.
Sorry for the rant, but that’s why I’m looking at Ws & Ls as some kind of indicator.
 

An-Cap Frog

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I see your argument. And if seven wins prevents a mass exodus into the portal and/or disintegration of our recruiting class then maybe you're right. But at this point we're at four wins without having convincingly beaten a solid team that entered a game against us in a good place. Utah has no QB, Stanford and Kansas will both finish well under .500, and LIU doesn't count for anything. Suppose we beat Oklahoma State, Arizona, and Baylor teams that each also finish at or below .500, but lose to Tech and Cincinnati. We would have gone two full seasons since losing the group of players that carried us to the national championship game without this staff having orchestrated a single impressive win against a well-organized, equally talented opponent having a good year. Maybe that would hold our recruiting class and current roster together, but it wouldn't assure me that Sonny & Co. have any clue what to do with either.

I will feel a whole lot better if we can comprehensively batter some of the dreck we have left on our schedule, and grind out a really good win at Cincinnati.
Most teams play an equivalent schedule as the one you are describing above. The difference might be that a top 25 teams beats those teams more convincingly. Also, take into consideration that SEC teams play 4 non-conference so simple schedule rankings of opponents win-loss records are naturally inflated.
 

jack the frog

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There might be a chink in your word choice.

Teutonic knights generally preferred maille over plate armor for mobility, excepting arms and legs.

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He may be ready for a Teutonic shift.
 

FloridaFrog76129

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I do think there is some difference between 9-3 and 4-8, yes, but not as much a difference as many probably think. I think there’s about no difference between 8-4 a d 6-6 in terms of what the next few years is gonna look like.

I understand the point is to win games. I just don’t think there is much carryover. Some of our best seasons happened after bad ones, and vice versa.
The difference now is our bad seasons are followed by bad seasons

Theres not many signs of hope…
 

Wexahu

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The difference now is our bad seasons are followed by bad seasons

Theres not many signs of hope…
There are as many signs now as there were in many years over the past 12 years or so, you just don’t care to have any optimism.

Granted, we’re never making the national championship game again, or anywhere even close probably, but that’s a macro college football thing out of anyone’s control.
 

Spike

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Frogs are 2-0 in games that end after midnight CST. Maybe the secret is to move the rest of the season to 9pm (or later) kickoffs.
 

FloridaFrog76129

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There are as many signs now as there were in many years over the past 12 years or so, you just don’t care to have any optimism.

Granted, we’re never making the national championship game again, or anywhere even close probably, but that’s a macro college football thing out of anyone’s control.
We had back to back 5-7 seasons in Gary’s final year(s) 2019 and 2021 if you exclude Covid

We’re on track for something similar already…
 

FrogBall09

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And then we went 12-2 in 2022. You never know.
That’s seems like it’s worth $7.5 mil a year…

So stupid

Yes - we actually do know since all the things that make successful years in college football are NOT happening here and we played the weakest schedule we will ever play in P5 this year
 

Wexahu

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That’s seems like it’s worth $7.5 mil a year…

So stupid

Yes - we actually do know since all the things that make successful years in college football are NOT happening here and we played the weakest schedule we will ever play in P5 this year
I don’t know what the going rate is for coaches that made the NCG is, but it’s probably a pretty high number.

I get it, you think the coach sucks. And I know there’s a group, maybe a sizable group, of butthurt donors that got their feelings hurt when Dykes made GP look bad so they are going to refuse to support the program until the ring is kissed, but thats a different issue.
 

Chongo94

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I don’t know what the going rate is for coaches that made the NCG is, but it’s probably a pretty high number.

I get it, you think the coach sucks. And I know there’s a group, maybe a sizable group, of butthurt donors that got their feelings hurt when Dykes made GP look bad so they are going to refuse to support the program until the ring is kissed, but thats a different issue.
I’d like to see how many of those coaches that did had some consistent success versus ours who had the best season he’s ever had. Dykes’ overall record indicates only average/mediocrity for its history. Should have waited to give that extension regardless of the NCG season. And I’d say that for any coach in the first year at a school.
 
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