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  1. QUOTE(iancurtis @ Aug 9 2008, 03:32 PM) [snapback]186560[/snapback]
    Greg Ellis is the exception to the rule on Achilles injuries. Sometimes these are the trickiest injuries there are. Ruptures usually end careers because they normally just don't come back the same. Without a complete tear you have things like stress fractures, bone spurs, chronic tendinitis that won't go away.

    The brillance of the medical experts above is staggering and maybe you guys should contact the TCU Sports Medicine department (one of the best in the nation) and let them know that they should seek a second or third opinion. I'm sure they haven't thought about this at all.

    While you are at it, contact Mike Renfro and tell him the same thing because he probably has never dealt with football or injuries or anything like that while he was playing for the Cowboys. I'm sure too that he is in a financial bind and doesn't have any resources or connections to get his son checked out.


    OK, I hear that and you are right but the question remains. What was Clints injury?

    Was it a sprained achiles? Ruptures and tears are completely different but I don't think that he suffered that sever of injury. I could be wrong though.
     
  2. QUOTE(Frog on Ice @ Aug 9 2008, 10:52 AM) [snapback]186562[/snapback]
    One of the best in the nation?? What is your point of reference for that comment?



    I was thinking the same thing.
     
  3. I wonder if they use ART or Graston on any of the players. I used to do ART when I was powerlifting and it was a lifesaver
     
  4. you would think they have tried active release (ART) in some capacity with him.
     
  5. QUOTE(iancurtis @ Aug 9 2008, 10:32 AM) [snapback]186560[/snapback]
    Greg Ellis is the exception to the rule on Achilles injuries. Sometimes these are the trickiest injuries there are. Ruptures usually end careers because they normally just don't come back the same. Without a complete tear you have things like stress fractures, bone spurs, chronic tendinitis that won't go away.

    The brillance of the medical experts above is staggering and maybe you guys should contact the TCU Sports Medicine department (one of the best in the nation) and let them know that they should seek a second or third opinion. I'm sure they haven't thought about this at all.

    One of the best in the nation?? What is your point of reference for that comment?


    Maybe as far as that is concerned I should have said historically one of the best in the nation. I realize that is an opinionated statement however it is based on facts that deal with the sports medicine world. Up until a few years ago, TCU and Soutwest Texas were the only two accredited curriculum based athletic training programs in the state. This was based on clinical experiences, academic requirements, accesibility to physicians, research and study, and graduation as well as pass rates on state and national examinations.

    There are many things for years that kept the sports medicine program at that level. Access and involvement by physicians in TCU athletics is second to none and set the bar for many other programs in the state. Many people have followed their lead but for years you wouldn't find D1 athletic departments that had daily ortho rotations as well as orthos teaching classes on campus other than TCU.

    Up to date professional, cutting edge rehabilitation is performed on a day to day basis in the training room as overseen by the physicians and professional staff. However students get to handle these things in this educational setting. (Some sports medicine departments, yes, some big time ones, still farm out their rehab to professional clinics because they can't handle it on campus, or because their athletic department sold out to a company for advertising purposes)

    Philosophically you will find different schools of thought relating to massage, ART, and Graston included. TCU sports medicine has never employed a massage therapist on site or PT who was good with their hands in these types of areas, however they have been called upon when it was felt that it would be beneficial to a situation for an athlete. However the mere act of soft tissue therapy does not make or break a sports medicine department.

    I know there is no feasible way to prove the standing of TCU sports medicine, other than personal experiences and 1st hand knowledge of other programs out there. One thing that does help the cause is to look at how many kids apply to TCU to be an athletic trainer and from where all they come from nationally. Most other schools in Texas are full of athletic trainers that didn't get in to TCU.

    If you have doubts about the program please tell me why and what point of reference you have for those.
     
  6. you are right that TCU sports medicine is one of the best. I have used them mysef on occasion.
    However sometimes a second opinion brings a fresh perspective to things. It does hurt anything and at worse simply confirms the first opinion.
     
  7. renfro was at practice today on the sideline.
     
  8. Iancurtis:

    really respect your comments and generally dead on, but your statements about Mike and TCU medicine, etc are just ridiculous at best.

    No one is saying the Renfros do not have the wherewithall, etc, but sometimes with these injuries it is nice to have someone from the outside with little history with the patient involved. From a personal perspective I will say that even though we had some of the best Drs in Dallas involved in a family situation (Carrell clinic) it took another Dr completely unrelated and fresh to the situation to resolve an issue that had been completely misdiagnosed from the start.

    Clint's situation has gone on really for the better part of 3 years now without resolution. he has been up and down, but not totally healed. People just offering a suggestion and not pointing fingers and there is no reason to bite back at them.
     
  9. QUOTE(ross @ Aug 8 2008, 01:18 PM) [snapback]186313[/snapback]
    i think i would seek a second medical opinion.
    Don't tell us, tell him. :rolleyes:
     
  10. QUOTE(FeistyFrog @ Aug 10 2008, 04:02 AM) [snapback]186719[/snapback]
    Iancurtis:

    really respect your comments and generally dead on, but your statements about Mike and TCU medicine, etc are just ridiculous at best.

    No one is saying the Renfros do not have the wherewithall, etc, but sometimes with these injuries it is nice to have someone from the outside with little history with the patient involved. From a personal perspective I will say that even though we had some of the best Drs in Dallas involved in a family situation (Carrell clinic) it took another Dr completely unrelated and fresh to the situation to resolve an issue that had been completely misdiagnosed from the start.

    Clint's situation has gone on really for the better part of 3 years now without resolution. he has been up and down, but not totally healed. People just offering a suggestion and not pointing fingers and there is no reason to bite back at them.


    What is ridiculous is speculation on injury that is confidential to begin with because one person told another person that it was this that or the other and because it has lingered for three years. That is what I was getting at. Unless somebody on this board has been involved in his injury process since day one covering rehabs, treatments, doctor visits, etc., or unless someone knows the Renfros and they have revealed the details of this situation to them, then no one really knows the entire situation and no one should speculate on it. I may be wrong, but, I don't think that anybody is close to the situation because as someone noted above then they could just tell the family, "Hey get a second opinion personally and they wouldn't have to post it on a message board."

    I may have miss read but I was taking it from the Captain Obvious prespective that people were saying that, "duh, they should get a second or third opinion" as if that hasn't been done. I can't speculate on that because I don't know if it has been done but what I was saying was that with the people involved, they aren't going to let him sit around for three years while they wait for it to get better. I am sure that everybody offering suggestions just mean well and they shouldn't be called out for that. Thanks to Ross and Feisty for backing what I said about the sports medicine department.

    So sorry if it was too harsh to say what I did with my "ridiculous" statement. I'm sure that everybody feels better too that they were defended by somebody else for a statement that was partially tounge in cheek to begin with.
     
  11. QUOTE(iancurtis @ Aug 10 2008, 10:41 AM) [snapback]186804[/snapback]
    What is ridiculous is speculation on injury that is confidential to begin with because one person told another person that it was this that or the other and because it has lingered for three years. That is what I was getting at. Unless somebody on this board has been involved in his injury process since day one covering rehabs, treatments, doctor visits, etc., or unless someone knows the Renfros and they have revealed the details of this situation to them, then no one really knows the entire situation and no one should speculate on it. I may be wrong, but, I don't think that anybody is close to the situation because as someone noted above then they could just tell the family, "Hey get a second opinion personally and they wouldn't have to post it on a message board."

    I may have miss read but I was taking it from the Captain Obvious prespective that people were saying that, "duh, they should get a second or third opinion" as if that hasn't been done. I can't speculate on that because I don't know if it has been done but what I was saying was that with the people involved, they aren't going to let him sit around for three years while they wait for it to get better. I am sure that everybody offering suggestions just mean well and they shouldn't be called out for that. Thanks to Ross and Feisty for backing what I said about the sports medicine department.

    So sorry if it was too harsh to say what I did with my "ridiculous" statement. I'm sure that everybody feels better too that they were defended by somebody else for a statement that was partially tounge in cheek to begin with.



    Well Captain Obvious, I think it is obvious that something isn't working and others were being the Original Captain Obvious in this situation by stating what is more obvious than what you the following Captain Obvious was trying to sate as the obvious, but which isn't really obvious because there is nothing obvious to support your obvious, but there is something very obvious to support the original obvious claims.
     
  12. That's farily obvious!
     
  13. QUOTE(PurplePutt @ Aug 10 2008, 12:33 PM) [snapback]186850[/snapback]
    That's farily obvious!



    its obviously very obvious. however, i am still not sold on the fact of our athletic training department being one the best in the country. and my observation comes from very credible sources who have been right in the mix of their work. and the argument of our trainers doing the rehad over a PT is weak at best. An ATC (certified trainer) does not have near the background and knowledge base that a DPT or PT has on rehab. It is acutually better to outsource the rehab or have a full time PT that just does rehab within a department. the ATC's are usually occupied taping ankles, preparing water, and various other task for practice. So that leaves one and MAYBE two semi-qualified ATC's to tend to a whole department of injuries, which can be a large number at times. and then during practice they have to watch for any injuries that might happen. between all that they rarely have time to spend the needed attention to a recovering athlete.
     
  14. we just need to find a way to get him healthy and onto the field. i would hope that a 3 year injury would atleast grant him 1 additional year because of a medical redshirt.
     
  15. FWIW, it took going to 5 different specialists before we got a correct diagnosis on something that to the other 4 was obvious, but incorrect.
     
  16. QUOTE(FeistyFrog @ Aug 10 2008, 03:31 PM) [snapback]186903[/snapback]
    FWIW, it took going to 5 different specialists before we got a correct diagnosis on something that to the other 4 was obvious, but incorrect.



    You found the one dentist in five that doesn't recommend chewing Trident?
     
  17. QUOTE(Frog on Ice @ Aug 10 2008, 05:59 PM) [snapback]186854[/snapback]
    its obviously very obvious. however, i am still not sold on the fact of our athletic training department being one the best in the country. and my observation comes from very credible sources who have been right in the mix of their work. and the argument of our trainers doing the rehad over a PT is weak at best. An ATC (certified trainer) does not have near the background and knowledge base that a DPT or PT has on rehab. It is acutually better to outsource the rehab or have a full time PT that just does rehab within a department. the ATC's are usually occupied taping ankles, preparing water, and various other task for practice. So that leaves one and MAYBE two semi-qualified ATC's to tend to a whole department of injuries, which can be a large number at times. and then during practice they have to watch for any injuries that might happen. between all that they rarely have time to spend the needed attention to a recovering athlete.


    What is obvious is that you think that you know something that you don't. You might want to first check the stats on the one or two ATCs that supposedly work on staff when actually they are in the eight to ten range now. Also it seems to me that you are implying that trainers only carry water and tape. say all that you want to and there are great PT's out there but there are also some of the slappiest PTS in the world that wouldn't have a clue how to rehab a sports injury if it slapped them in the face. Some PTS put a guy in a corner with a Thera-band and have him follow a sheet while the dollar signs add up.

    I also want to know your basis for two semi-qualified ATCs on staff. That is very interesting. So you are saying that the people that TCU's athletes put their lives in their hands daily are semi-qualified. What is your source on this because unless you are in the daily mix of the training room you really don't know anything about it. This goes back to speculation again, from "credible" sources.

    As far as rarely having to time to work with a recovering athlete, that is why trainers are in the office at around 5:30-6:00 AM in the morning and do rehabs and treatments daily up until practice. That is why usually someone is assigned to be a rehab coordinator and handles the rehab daily. That is why the physicians in the department oversee the rehab along with PTs when needed to handle what is going on. That is also why they don't leave till late in the evening and devote their lives to the program which I guess makes them semi-qualified. I'm sure too that they would let you hang out one day and see what goes if you really wanted to.
     
  18. QUOTE(FeistyFrog @ Aug 10 2008, 08:31 PM) [snapback]186903[/snapback]
    FWIW, it took going to 5 different specialists before we got a correct diagnosis on something that to the other 4 was obvious, but incorrect.



    Great story, heard you the first time.
     
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