So who is the actual QB this week/moving forward?

[tyler durden]

And yet we’re averaging over 6 yards per play and there hasn’t been one bit of off the field trouble. That’s odd.

I prefer points to yards. His performance is not worthy of his risk profile based on a chequered past.

 

[Prince of Purpoole II]

We was the starter both years, if Sonny indeed made that promise to him (which I sorta doubt), it wasn't broken.

Yeah that seems clear to me. I wanted and expected CM to succeed but he had a fair chance imo and failed.

 

[Wexahu]

Yeah that seems clear to me. I wanted and expected CM to succeed but he had a fair chance imo and failed.

I have a really, really hard time believing that a longtime football coach like Chad Morris would want or expect another coach to promise his kid the starting position. Just does not seem like something a coach would do, so I don’t believe that happened. I think it’s pretty easy to say since he got the job that it was promised to him. Whatever.

And I don’t think CM “failed”: I think he played decent, got injured a couple times and the kid who replaced him the second time showed some promise, enough to where the coaches want to stick with him. It wouldn’t shock me at all if CM went somewhere else and played very well if he can stay healthy.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

Hoover starts for the entire remainder of the season; then TCU needs to get a better QB in the portal in December.
Neither Morris or Hoover has the talent to lead a top 25 team with any consistency. Their top end is maybe 7 wins.
The 2 teams Hoover did well against, BU & BYU, have putrid defenses ranked outside the top 100. Outside of that, Hoover was very mediocre against the 3 competitive teams & threw more interceptions than TDs.

If we can’t get the portal QB; then Hoover or Morris will likely start until Hauss Hejny takes over.

 

[FloridaFrog76129]

Hoover starts for the entire remainder of the season; then TCU needs to get a better QB in the portal in December.
Neither Morris or Hoover has the talent to lead a top 25 team with any consistency. Their top end is maybe 7 wins.
The 2 teams Hoover did well against, BU & BYU, have putrid defenses ranked outside the top 100. Outside of that, Hoover was very mediocre against the 3 competitive teams & threw more interceptions than TDs.

If we can’t get the portal QB; then Hoover or Morris will likely start until Hauss Hejny takes over.

The entire remainder of the season is one game against OU.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

Following up on my previous post about QB depth - maybe worse than not being able to get a transfer QB this past offseason, was not recruiting a QB in the 2023 class. TCU recruited Hoover in the 2022 class and now he is the leader/probable starter next season. But this year, TCU was not grooming a similar caliber freshman behind him and that doesn’t appear smart. So here we are, Morris may leave and the Frogs don’t have quailty behind Hoover.

 

[Wexahu]

Hoover starts for the entire remainder of the season; then TCU needs to get a better QB in the portal in December.
Neither Morris or Hoover has the talent to lead a top 25 team with any consistency. Their top end is maybe 7 wins.
The 2 teams Hoover did well against, BU & BYU, have putrid defenses ranked outside the top 100. Outside of that, Hoover was very mediocre against the 3 competitive teams & threw more interceptions than TDs.

If we can’t get the portal QB; then Hoover or Morris will likely start until Hauss Hejny takes over.

Their ceiling is 7 wins?

People said those EXACT kind of things about Duggan. We won 13 with him last year.

 

[Realtorfrog]

Shough from Tech announced but he’s not the answer…… I also think Maalik from tX transfers. I’d make a run for him.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Hoover starts for the entire remainder of the season; then TCU needs to get a better QB in the portal in December.
Neither Morris or Hoover has the talent to lead a top 25 team with any consistency. Their top end is maybe 7 wins.
The 2 teams Hoover did well against, BU & BYU, have putrid defenses ranked outside the top 100. Outside of that, Hoover was very mediocre against the 3 competitive teams & threw more interceptions than TDs.

If we can’t get the portal QB; then Hoover or Morris will likely start until Hauss Hejny takes over.

I disagree. Hoover has done well, considering, as was pointed out above. I have no problem with him as the starter going forward.

Hejney will, if he does indeed commit to TCU, be a fabulous contributor in time.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Hoover is better than everyone on the list and not even close.

Was thinking depth more than anything. I'm not sure any of these guys want to be a back-up either.

 

[y2kFrog]

Was thinking depth more than anything. I'm not sure any of these guys want to be a back-up either.

Getting a third (or fourth) QB for depth is basically impossible in the transfer portal era. Only the bluest of blue bloods have it.

 

[BrewingFrog]

Agree for the most part, but not completely true. Frogs offense looked pretty effective in the second half with the longhorns (they have a good defense). The O line protected well and Mad Vac was on target with all receiver, particularly Savion. Then, he exploited baylor’s sorry defense like he should, and Wiley really woke up. Plus, Hoover effectively added the extra element of keeping the ball on the read. (Wonder if he actually got the green light from Briles, or if he decided to ask for forgiveness later?)
Given the option of Mad Vac keeping the ball, Bailey’s rushing yards should increase, plus our receiving corps and Hoover are dialed in.
With protection and aggressive play from our O line (?), our offense should be just fine.
Now, it is time for our Defense to get a bit of this attitude…
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You make good points, especially with the UT 2nd half. However, they had settled into a "prevent" look in the 2nd, and were merely trying to run out the clock. Additionally, I had moved outdoors at that point to listen to the radio broadcast and drink, so I wasn't actually looking at the TV set and seeing the formations/looks/etc. Against Baylor, we couldn't block a darned thing in the 1st half, while in the 2nd I really felt like they simply gave up while we romped. It was awfully lopsided.

As to Hoover (I like Mad Vac! I will be shamelessly stealing that.) running, I believe he said something to the effect of "Screw it! I'm taking off!" As you say, "ask forgiveness later..." It was a great move, and they clearly weren't expecting it. I almost wish he hadn't, so that it would be a surprise for the OU folks.

OU will be looking for some revenge. They got pantsed last year, and didn't like it one bit. The TCU defense has been maligned this year, and with good reason. Yet they have shown that, at times, they can choke the life out of an opponent. Whether our Defensive Coordinator, who sits on a flaming blowtorch at present, will turn them loose and allow them to take the initiative remains to be seen...

 

[fanatical frog]

This offseason is setting up to be like last off-season or worse as far as acquiring QB depth, IF Hoover looks good versus Oklahoma. Then Hoover will be the favorite to start 2024, Morris likely transfers and Dykes will have a heckuva a time finding a starting caliber QB in the portal to compete or backup Hoover. The coach also has to determine - has Hoover earned the right to start next season, and he doesn’t want to chase him away by bringing in another starter.

The Frogs depth may be worse next season because they may have a lesser backup to Hoover than Hoover was to Chandler. Hopefully Hauss Henjy adapts to the college game quickly, but I don’t believe in true freshman as an answer.

I don't either. I hope the '24 Frogs have the luxury for Haus to red shirt.

I have a really, really hard time believing that a longtime football coach like Chad Morris would want or expect another coach to promise his kid the starting position. Just does not seem like something a coach would do, so I don’t believe that happened. I think it’s pretty easy to say since he got the job that it was promised to him. Whatever.

And I don’t think CM “failed”: I think he played decent, got injured a couple times and the kid who replaced him the second time showed some promise, enough to where the coaches want to stick with him. It wouldn’t shock me at all if CM went somewhere else and played very well if he can stay healthy.

I don't believe that happened either.

 

[fanatical frog]

Hoover starts for the entire remainder of the season; then TCU needs to get a better QB in the portal in December.
Neither Morris or Hoover has the talent to lead a top 25 team with any consistency. Their top end is maybe 7 wins.
The 2 teams Hoover did well against, BU & BYU, have putrid defenses ranked outside the top 100. Outside of that, Hoover was very mediocre against the 3 competitive teams & threw more interceptions than TDs.

If we can’t get the portal QB; then Hoover or Morris will likely start until Hauss Hejny takes over.

Disagree with all of that. As for the three competitive teams Josh QB'd against, a fair amount of our OL spent those nights on their backs....in spite of that his completion rate is around 63 % on the season.

 

[Wexahu]

Disagree with all of that. As for the three competitive teams Josh QB'd against, a fair amount of our OL spent those nights on their backs....in spite of that his completion rate is around 63 % on the season.

It’s just ridiculous the knee jerk reactions and opinions on players. Hoover is a RS freshman who has started what, 6 games? And it’s not like he’s looked in over his head at all, even had two really really good games. And this guy already declared that his ceiling is 7 wins. Hell, he could have won 5 or 6 easily THIS year, as a freshman with a below average defense and no returning skill position players other than the TE. So basically the kid has almost maxed out his potential already based on what this guy has seen this year?

So incredibly dumb.

 

[froginaustin]

I hope that someone in the TCU community has the NIL bonafides (riches) to step up and keep Morris and Hoover happy, and get Haus signed. That would be the best realistic world. NIL bonafides is not me.

 

[AroundWorldFrog]

I have a really, really hard time believing that a longtime football coach like Chad Morris would want or expect another coach to promise his kid the starting position. Just does not seem like something a coach would do, so I don’t believe that happened. I think it’s pretty easy to say since he got the job that it was promised to him. Whatever.

And I don’t think CM “failed”: I think he played decent, got injured a couple times and the kid who replaced him the second time showed some promise, enough to where the coaches want to stick with him. It wouldn’t shock me at all if CM went somewhere else and played very well if he can stay healthy.

Happens all the time. And yes, there are sources, reliable ones, that said CM was pretty much promised the job if he came to TCU. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. Whatever. CM will probably be a good G5 QB.

You think Arch Manning wasn't promised the starting job next year? He'll 100% be gone if Ewers comes back.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Getting a third (or fourth) QB for depth is basically impossible in the transfer portal era. Only the bluest of blue bloods have it.

We got Chance Nolan last year. I know he didn't break camp with us.

 

[Wexahu]

Happens all the time. And yes, there are sources, reliable ones, that said CM was pretty much promised the job if he came to TCU. You don't have to believe it for it to be true. Whatever.

You think Arch Manning wasn't promised the starting job next year?

No, I don’t. If he’s not ready to play, Sark isn’t going to start him over someone that is, unless he’s a damn fool. All the Mannings have to know that.

What does “pretty much promise” mean anyway? That sounds like telling a kid if you’re the best QB I’ve got, I promise you’re gonna be the starter. Or you could say promises are broken all the time too but what does it really mean in the end.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

It’s just ridiculous the knee jerk reactions and opinions on players. Hoover is a RS freshman who has started what, 6 games? And it’s not like he’s looked in over his head at all, even had two really really good games. And this guy already declared that his ceiling is 7 wins. Hell, he could have won 5 or 6 easily THIS year, as a freshman with a below average defense and no returning skill position players other than the TE. So basically the kid has almost maxed out his potential already based on what this guy has seen this year?

So incredibly dumb.

You sound like mediocre is good enough, it’s not.
Hoover couldnt even make the depth chart last year, so he ran scout teams for the most part. To his credit, he made a huge change in his body and was able to land a backup role against -0- competition.
He’s a good backup, even a decent starter, but he’s not gonna make another huge leap in body development or grow several inches for next year. He’s certainly not gonna take TCU to the CFP, or even the CCG.
If 7 wins make you happy, Hoover is your guy, but we need someone who is much better.