AEAfrog
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Why did the Big Ten add Nebraska instead of Missouri, then? You can't evaluate OU solely on the population of Oklahoma. The Sooners bring a large national following.
So much for Mizzou's loyalty!
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Why did the Big Ten add Nebraska instead of Missouri, then? You can't evaluate OU solely on the population of Oklahoma. The Sooners bring a large national following.
dawg
Active Member
Babyface, I think ESPN (and I could be wrong) likes the ACC for the length of the deal, not the cost, and that the ACC isn't readily eyeing another network. TCU has won as many BCS games as the ACC champ since 2000 (not to mention BE champs are 6-7 in the BCS and 3-5 if you take out Miami and VT), and BE basketball is superior in both quality and sheer quantity of good teams than the ACC. So the BE clearly competes better on the football field, basketball court, and, as you point out, media markets. But ESPN's (probably) losing the BE to NBC/Comcast, who can and is needing to splash the cash to attract BCS football and the best basketball conference to program and promote their networks. Perhaps ESPN looks at what they've been paying the BE for FB and basketball and rolls all that into the new ACC contract. In addition, and I admit to be speculating here, what if OU, TT, OSU, KU, MU leave the Big XII(-2)? That also affects the value of, and what ESPN would to pay, when the Longhorn League's first tier rights come up a few years (that conference has either first or second tier rights coming up in the near future.) If the Big XII even remains in existance, which frees up whatever ESPN's paying it.
Having said that, Face, I really hope you're right and I'm wrong, and ESPN sides on TV sets (of which the BE owns 30% of the nation, more than ACC.)
AggieAngst
New Member
PAC teams like STANFORD, UCLA, and CAL have banded together in a pact to never ever allow a "religious" based school (like BYU, Tcu, or Baylor) into their conference. Those 3 schools are rock solid that no religious type school is going to gain admittance to their Conf under any circumstances.
You saw that last year with the UT, TTech, Baylor and A&M to the PAC, when Stanford, Ucla, Cal and Arizona violently objected to Baylor and the PAC was forced to immediately invite COLO instead in order to cut Baylor out of any further consideration. And it worked - Baylor was immediately dropped.
The PAC 12 is the only Conf in the country that requires a unanimous vote for inclusion into their league. Any ONE MEMBER can blackball a potential expansion candidate.
Re-alignment is frantic and undetermined at this confusing time however there is one thing that is absolutely 100% certain in all of this - TCU, BYU, and BAYLOR will never ever get an invitation from the PAC 12. Never !
Latest rumor that seems have truth to it - says TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS TECH and OKIE ST to the PAC 16. And if TEXAS declines and wants to go independent then KANSAS gets the final spot.
You saw that last year with the UT, TTech, Baylor and A&M to the PAC, when Stanford, Ucla, Cal and Arizona violently objected to Baylor and the PAC was forced to immediately invite COLO instead in order to cut Baylor out of any further consideration. And it worked - Baylor was immediately dropped.
The PAC 12 is the only Conf in the country that requires a unanimous vote for inclusion into their league. Any ONE MEMBER can blackball a potential expansion candidate.
Re-alignment is frantic and undetermined at this confusing time however there is one thing that is absolutely 100% certain in all of this - TCU, BYU, and BAYLOR will never ever get an invitation from the PAC 12. Never !
Latest rumor that seems have truth to it - says TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS TECH and OKIE ST to the PAC 16. And if TEXAS declines and wants to go independent then KANSAS gets the final spot.
Nick Danger
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If the situation is as dire as some of you apparently want it to be, what do you suggest we (message boarders) do? Who do you want CDC to get on the horn to? I mean y'all actually seem irritated that some folks on here don't share your sense of impending peril, as if we're fiddling while Fort Worth burns! :dry:
The Sky is not falling !!
There are only two realistic potential poachers of the Big East.
a) ACC - their TV contract is not as attractive; the way the BE is stronly positioned.
b) Big 10 - won't take more than 2 from BE(if they go for 16/will be 2 B12 schools).
c) SEC and PAC12 are non players as potenial Big East poaching.
So, say ACC is able to hussle away 1 BE school.... that's three schools, leaving 6 in BE.
Now there will be several BCS schools and non BSC schools available with a B12 fold.
a) Most probable BCS schools for BE invite - several BBall schools here too.
Baylor
Iowa St.
KSU
KU
OSU - will be left behind with an OU invite by PAC12/Big10.
T-Tech - invite by PAC12 very unlikely.
b) Non BCS candiates for BE
Houston
SMU
UCF
The 3 academies(AF/Army/Navy)
Enough BCS programs and quality NON-BCS schools to fill in the corners.
ESPN is only one of 3-4 networks interested in BE and not the most motivated....
Cheers !
There are only two realistic potential poachers of the Big East.
a) ACC - their TV contract is not as attractive; the way the BE is stronly positioned.
b) Big 10 - won't take more than 2 from BE(if they go for 16/will be 2 B12 schools).
c) SEC and PAC12 are non players as potenial Big East poaching.
So, say ACC is able to hussle away 1 BE school.... that's three schools, leaving 6 in BE.
Now there will be several BCS schools and non BSC schools available with a B12 fold.
a) Most probable BCS schools for BE invite - several BBall schools here too.
Baylor
Iowa St.
KSU
KU
OSU - will be left behind with an OU invite by PAC12/Big10.
T-Tech - invite by PAC12 very unlikely.
b) Non BCS candiates for BE
Houston
SMU
UCF
The 3 academies(AF/Army/Navy)
Enough BCS programs and quality NON-BCS schools to fill in the corners.
ESPN is only one of 3-4 networks interested in BE and not the most motivated....
Cheers !
Rabble Rouser
New Member
Umm, I was in KC MO a few months ago and all I saw were KU and K-State t-shirts...
Umm, not challenging your rigorous honesty or the possibility of embellishing ... but 25% of Kansas City's population is in Kansas.... so, don't doubt you may actually have seen a large # of those T- shirts. Plus there is nothing in Kansas after graduation(but Witchita), so presume many grads also go to KC for work.
Cheers !
Merch Frog
Turd
That's not entirely true. I work in the Stanford Athletics Department and have heard those discussions. Keep in mind, USC is technically a religious school...but has sort of distanced away from that. TCU can say the same thing.
Baylor and BYU, on the other hand, still practice their religious views and require their students to not only take religious courses, but in the case of BYU, force their students to practice their beliefs and do mission work on behalf of the religion. Throw in BYU not playing sports on Sunday and they didn't want the scheduling headaches.
I can say with 100% confidence that BYU will never be in the Pac-12. I can say with almost certainty that Baylor will never be in the Pac-12. I am about 50/50 on TCU's chances. The fact that TCU is open to all religious views, has gay & lesbian student groups, doesn't require things like mission trips of their students...that all helps.
USC, Stanford and TCU all have churches on their campuses. We aren't THAT far apart from those schools.
Big Frog II
Active Member
The best scenario is SEC taking A&M and another Big12-2-1 school are doing nothing.
damnyankeephrog
Active Member
I only remember Stanford and UCLA burning a few buildings and overturning a half dozen or so cars. What is it Cal and Arizona did?
Missouri was lead candidate originally(so we thought)... and believe most were surprised with the last minute Nebraska choice... how can you go wrong with that brand(like OU's) but I would have gone with the triple #s of TV sets. Possibly B10 didn't want to compete with all the pro teams in Missouri for TV entertainment time... which I guess could be a similar scenario for OU getting picked over Mizzou.?. Missouri, like Nebraska, does have a better footprint for B10 than OU... but who knows.
Merch Frog
Turd
Can I help you? Was there something in my post that didn't explain that in detail?
Nice post.
roddog
Banned
why isnt the sec saying anything, and canceling their meeting tom?
