Dogfrog
Active Member
Ugh.
You work way, way, way too hard at this. I just don’t see any way you don’t have a vested interest.
You work way, way, way too hard at this. I just don’t see any way you don’t have a vested interest.
Looking forward to tomorrow night's game
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Peacefrog
Degenerate
My sources are telling me he sells ad time for the CFP ranking shows. But only the 3AM reruns on ESPN8.
QuilterFrawg
CDR USN (Ret)
You're a good son. Hope your dad comes through it with no problems.
I think virtually everyone agrees that the two best teams are playing tomorrow night for the championship, and one of them is in the CFP for the first time, and that just isn't interesting to a lot of people. OK, fair enough.
Would people be more interested in this game if LSU and Clemson had beaten up on Oregon and Memphis a couple weeks ago? I doubt it. Maybe we should go back to no playoff, let the AP voters decide a champion, and end the season on Jan 1 with the four major bowls. Everyone seemed to despise that for years and years, but it's gotta be better than this I guess.
flyfishingfrog
Active Member
I notice you keep bringing up Houston and Rice and ignore that we also don’t play Aggy, Arky anymore because of conference realignment in the name of tv viewership - Plus Houston didn’t even join the SWC until 76 and still had 6-7 ranked seasons - so frankly they were better than TCU during their time as a SWC team. Our attendance was bad because we were bad and our fans didn’t support the team - not because our competition - unlike now where even we are good no one shows up for FCS teams and Kansas.
but I never said I wanted to the SWC back - I want a system that doesn’t trade money for the tradition of college football and old rivalry games while delivering no real difference in the results - a few teams with any shot at the championship. There is no more parity in college football than before all the money.
And it’s a lot bigger than TCU - look how seldom some teams with 100 years of tradition that are in the same conference play each other because of divisions. Divisions that were created to get conferences bigger for TV revenue that hasn’t helped the majority of schools be any more competitive than before really
and caused schools to run to unnatural alignments in pursuit of the night dollar- Missouri in the SEC, Nebraska in the B10, WVU in the B12
no more UT/Aggy, Kansas/Missouri, Pitt/WVU or Penn St, OU/Nebraska each year
it has got to suck to be a Rutgers, Maryland, Vandy, Arky fan - but at least you get to watch your team get killed in a really nice stadium each week - if you bother to show up
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flyfishingfrog
Active Member
Man you are missing the point
the regular season is boring now - why? Because of the CFP
Weak schedules, FCS teams, playing oppponents you don’t care about, a few teams killing everyone else - all in pursuit of a dream that you might pull a miracle, win your conference and get a shot at the CFP, but its a lie because unless you go undefeated it won’t happen if you aren’t one of the regulars
and you won’t go undefeated with the recruiting imbalances
Your third paragraph I agree with in a lot of ways but the last sentence is a lie. Baylor would have been a CFP team this year had they beat OU in the CCG, and that’s with an awful OOC schedule and a loss (and really not even that great a team). This idea that only certain teams can lose games is an absolute lie.
flyfishingfrog
Active Member
Woulda, shoulda, coulda - but it never happens
that is the lie that keeps the CFP alive and people Like you backing it
if a G5 team goes undefeated and three conference champs have two losses...oh wait that. never happens
if the 4 loss Missouri Tigers win the SEC championship no SEC team will get in - oh wait that never happens either
150 years of college football pretty much prove that no matter the story - only a few stand a chance so sacrificing the tradition of the game for everyone is eventually going to kill the game overall
Texas A&M has beaten us the last 24 times we played them while we were "rivals". Our record against Arkansas wasn't a whole lot better when we were "rivals". I'd say the current structure has been good for TCU overall.
And people do show up for our games when we are good (we weren't good the last couple years). In 2014, 2015 and 2017 I was there for some pretty good crowds. Granted, the fact the every game is on TV makes that a bit more challenging but generally I'm glad the games are televised, I'd hate to have to listen to most of the road games on the radio. And yes, it's unfortunate that some teams don't play each other every year like they used to but that doesn't really impact TCU much.
It's almost like you're frustrated with the built-in advantages other teams have over us (that aren't going away btw) and just want to vent about it.
PurpleBlood87
Active Member
TCU plays a FCS school because CGP remembers his time coaching at that level and knows how much a payday like playing TCU will do for the FCS programs finances.
flyfishingfrog
Active Member
Such a nice story - he has told me that one also
and it is true to the extent that the current system encourages us to do it since there is no real penalty for it and the belief that undefeated is attainable and get us in the big game continues to exist
but again if it hurt our chances or we realized the system was rigged and scheduled to maximize support for the program- we would stop
The FCS games stink and need to go away IMO. They are played because the coach likes a gimme win. Period.
But literally every person who follows college football knows that if Baylor had beaten OU in the CCG they would have made the playoff. That's with a loss AND a terrible OOC schedule (and even a couple controversial wins on top of that). Hell, even defeatist Baylor fans would concede that they were a overtime win away from making it. And yet since they lost you can now conveniently say they would have never made it so you can keep the myth alive that the "system is rigged".
It's really, really hard for a non blue-blood to make the playoff because generally they don't recruit as well or have as deep and as talented of rosters. It's even harder for them to go undefeated for the same reason. I get that. But it's entirely possible for both things to happen, it just doesn't happen near enough to satisfy people. But nobody has "rigged the system" to keep anyone out.
flyfishingfrog
Active Member
So you are glad we don’t play the teams we beat before because no one showed up and you don’t want to play the ones that packed the stadium because they beat us all the time
well since we were terrible- that was life then
and the current system has not helped TCU achieve the end goal - it has actually taken it away our chance twice when we it could be argued we deserved it and based on what success we (and others had) during our rise back to the “top” level - they changed the rules so that won’t ever happen again
and that change has restored order to where only a few teams stand a chance
anyone that is truly honest will admit we are basically in the same position we were in during our MWC days in regard to getting to the championship game - but the path
Man you are dense
yes - it’s possible- but it never happens
that is why the system is ruining football
we change how we schedule and who we play because there is a chance
but it never happens - so why do we continue to waste half the regular season playing teams our fan base doesn’t give a crap about?
That is the point
Ron Swanson
Full Member
It only matters if we are up against another team for the fourth spot in the college football playoff and that other team has the same record and conference championship situation as us. It’s a tie-breaker, that’s it.
Eight
Member
when it comes to basketball the frogs basically did that for much of their ooc when you compare it to baylor in basketball
bears lost to washington by 3, beat villanova, beat arizona, and beat butler.
Limp Lizard
Full Member
So why not just cut basketball down to 4? Then it would be Duke vs Kansas or North Carolina every year. Maybe Kentucky. Instead, 13 teams have been in the championship games the last 10 years. At least give other teams a chance. In 2014 TCU was good enough, and maybe even (gag!) Baylor. The 4 team playoff guarantees only "name" teams every year. Self-fulfilling phophesy, IMO.
LOL on the "packed the stadium" line. Yeah, we remember things differently. I don't remember too many "packed" Carters during the glory years of the SWC unless we're maybe going back to the 40's and 50's when I wasn't alive.
And I think our fan base cares plenty about OU, OSU, SMU, Tech, UT and Baylor and the Kansas schools and Iowa State are fine and those "rivalries" are developing. You talk like the SWC broke up 5 years ago, it's been 30 years and when you move into a conference like the Big 12 you're going to cast a wider net as far as who your opponents are.
jake102
Active Member
Yep. I’m willing to roll the dice
Until the committee stops using win/loss record as the first step in the ranking, OOC doesn’t really matter unless you have two teams with identical record from different conferences vying for the 4th spot
My feeling on this is that if you have a team that is remotely CFP caliber, then playing a little better OOC isn't going to hurt at all. I'm not saying play home and homes with Ohio State or USC or Auburn every year, I'm saying ditch the FCS game for starters. Those games suck for everyone. The idea is you've got 6 or maybe 7 home games, don't waste one on a crap FCS team.
