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Does anyone honestly expect anything to get better under this staff

Wexahu

Full Member
I wanted Tony Elliott over Sonny Dykes but I am not giving up on Dykes. The defense is new and may improve this year as players become more comfortable in it. Hoover was a good recruit and has developed well. The 2022 and 2024 classes are good on paper according to recruiting rankings. Have hope and hang in there! At this point it is the best option and may work out well.

Patterson won with defensive scheme and being a good talent evaluator on recruiting speed and athletic ability on defense and offense and developing players (coaching them up). We need to see all of that from Dykes.
I think Dykes will probably be replaced relatively soon but I also don't think there's a guy out there who will a) work any kind of magic, or b) won't leave at his first chance if he does. If the standard is playoff appearances (and being competitive in the playoff), being a TCU football fan is asking for a whole lot of frustration, because that bar is not being reached again. As for developing players, that doesn't matter a whole lot anymore, don't have time to. Gotta have a slew of bought and paid for kids ready to play right away.

Dykes did take us farther than any other coach in the last 80 years, so he'll always have that.
 
I think Dykes will probably be replaced relatively soon but I also don't think there's a guy out there who will a) work any kind of magic, or b) won't leave at his first chance if he does. If the standard is playoff appearances (and being competitive in the playoff), being a TCU football fan is asking for a whole lot of frustration, because that bar is not being reached again. As for developing players, that doesn't matter a whole lot anymore, don't have time to. Gotta have a slew of bought and paid for kids ready to play right away.

Dykes did take us farther than any other coach in the last 80 years, so he'll always have that.
I disagree. We have a path to the playoffs every year through a conference that doesn’t have any programs with financial, strategic or historical advantages over us.

Now, whether or not we will be competitive in a playoff against teams that definitely have all those advantages is another story entirely.
 

FWFrog88

Member
As a coach you cannot get ejected! No matter how bad the officiating is you have to be better.
The one thing I have noticed is SD always yells at the refs - every game!
These were Big 12 refs so they know him all too well.

SD has earned his rep with these refs now, so it was just a matter of time.
What an idiot!
 

Wexahu

Full Member
The one thing I have noticed is SD always yells at the refs - every game!
These were Big 12 refs so they know him all too well.

SD has earned his rep with these refs now, so it was just a matter of time.
What an idiot!
Yeah, refs will put up with a little bitching when it's on borderline or bad calls, but it'd get real tiring listening to a coach complain about calls that are obviously correct, like the one that got SD ejected. It was clearly a hold.

Sonny tends to complain about any calls that go against us, not just iffy calls.
 

FrogBall09

Active Member
I think Dykes will probably be replaced relatively soon but I also don't think there's a guy out there who will a) work any kind of magic, or b) won't leave at his first chance if he does. If the standard is playoff appearances (and being competitive in the playoff), being a TCU football fan is asking for a whole lot of frustration, because that bar is not being reached again. As for developing players, that doesn't matter a whole lot anymore, don't have time to. Gotta have a slew of bought and paid for kids ready to play right away.

Dykes did take us farther than any other coach in the last 80 years, so he'll always have that.
if we don't stand a chance to make a 12 team playoff by winning a conference with no flagship programs in it - then we might as well shut down football now and spend the money on something else
 

FrogBall09

Active Member
The one thing I have noticed is SD always yells at the refs - every game!
These were Big 12 refs so they know him all too well.

SD has earned his rep with these refs now, so it was just a matter of time.
What an idiot!
I had an MLB umpire tell me one time about how he threw out a well known Manager in the first inning of the game on the 3rd pitch.

He got a lot of flack for doing it so quickly - but he said the Manager had been relentlessly arguing balls and strikes all season and every crew knew it.

Before the game, the ump told him he wasn't going to tolerate it - the Manager did it on both the first two pitches and so the ump threw him on the 3rd.

100% Dykes has gained a rep as a complainer about calls and one that won't give it a rest by all the B12 crews- that got him thrown as much, if not more than what he actually said or did Saturday.

It's also a self perpetuating cycle - because we don't get many borderline calls either since the crews don't like dealing with him.
 
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Dutch

T C U Froooogs
Yes a big part of this problem is the result of GP’s poor recruiting.
It takes 2 to 3 years to grow linemen.
GP’s left TCU 10/31/21, so go to the 2 deep depth chart and find all of the upperclassmen that GP recruited playing OL, DL, or LB. It’s

It was still the right decision to move from GP. He had made abundantly clear that he refused to reorganize his staff and bring in the best coordinators. I felt that was clear by 2019 and said then that he should resign. It took three years for the higher-ups to reach that conclusions, but I understand why--it wasn't an easy decision, but it was a simple one. Once you're convinced that the guy in charge gives you a zero percent chance of getting better, you have to make a change.

That said, the next coach after a legend is almost always a disaster, and the chances of a program like TCU going from one great coach to another were not high. So we had a 0% chance of progress under GP by 2021, and a very low chance of his replacement being much better. We took a long shot decision and for a year it looked to have worked, maybe it still can but I think not. I think we took a long shot and (predictably enough) missed. But if the long shot is your only shot, you still have to take it.
Wow.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
I disagree. We have a path to the playoffs every year through a conference that doesn’t have any programs with financial, strategic or historical advantages over us.

Now, whether or not we will be competitive in a playoff against teams that definitely have all those advantages is another story entirely.
We should do what Kansas did and find someone with a history of coaching fundamentals very well in all three phases of the game at a lower level. Good coaches coach well at whatever level. Or you can roll the dice on a coordinator at this level who is good at running half a team but may not make a good CEO--like Dave Aranda. I'd rather take someone from the D2 or FCS level whose teams look like Iowa State. Give me a guy who will get the most out of his players, play solid defense, control possession, and not pick up 11 yards of penalties every week. If the game is rigged so TCU can never accumulate a roster that can win the playoff, so be it; we can't control that.

We can control sucking this bad with what we've got now. We being the institution, not Sonny Dykes; he can't.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
so basically they are both still blaming GP for the fact that Sonny sucks...
I didn't blame for GP for Sonny being terrible. I blamed GP for TCU sucking under GP from 2019-21, then I separately blamed Sonny for TCU sucking now. I don't know if GP left the recruiting cupboard bare or not, but he clearly didn't get enough out of the players he had because basically the same team won 13 games the year after. Sonny managed that crew well, but in two off-seasons since he hasn't managed to both build back up to a good roster and get the most out of his players. Maybe he's done the former, it's very difficult to tell because at very least they're all dreadfully coached. Possibly they're also overrated. Either way, what we are right now is on Sonny. What we were before he got here is on GP.
 

eh0215

Active Member
we just got crushed by the worst team that was left on our schedule at home.

It is over. we maybe win 2 more games if the guys get up for a couple opponents for one reason or another.
 
I see no reason why this staff should be retained after this season. There won't be any improvement in 2024, and there won't be any improvement in 2025

Might as well just get to it now instead of letting this program fall further and further into the abyss
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TxFrog1999

The Man Behind The Curtain
Keeping Patterson wouldn't have been the answer. Patterson wasn't the type of coach to embrace the changes that hit the sport pre-covid. He required loyalty and hard work, players that wanted to grow and learn the system, which started to slip in 2018 when the transfer portal came online. He never allowed coaches or players to make public appearances or speak to the media without his approval (of which he hardly gave), which created rifts as NIL money started flowing into the locker room in 2021. As much as I love Gary Patterson as a student of the game and a hard nosed coach that always had his players ready for the next challenge, the simple fact is that the game of college football is no longer setup to mold players into men who are ready to fight in the trenches for their brothers. The game has now morphed into a professional me-first, anything it takes to secure the bag, and make it to the next level joke of a sport. We saw the beginning of this when we recruited Zachary Evans and Patterson allowed his ridiculous carry counting attitude to drive a wedge between players, which culminated into a great coach losing the entire locker room.

I will never fault Patterson for the mess we're in, because the man took this entire school on his back and climbed a mountain. The sad reality is that as the game moved away from a student athletic sport, men like Patterson and Saban were pushed out and the game is far poorer because if it. Unless the NIL is redefined, the portal tamed, and the sport stops trying to be the NFL's minor league I don't think a single college level coach will be able to right this ship. Which means we need a leader who understands how to coach a team of paid individuals who can leave as a free agent or declare a red shirt year if they don't get their way. Unfortunately, that list is rather short.
 
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y2kFrog

Active Member
I didn't blame for GP for Sonny being terrible. I blamed GP for TCU sucking under GP from 2019-21, then I separately blamed Sonny for TCU sucking now. I don't know if GP left the recruiting cupboard bare or not, but he clearly didn't get enough out of the players he had because basically the same team won 13 games the year after. Sonny managed that crew well, but in two off-seasons since he hasn't managed to both build back up to a good roster and get the most out of his players. Maybe he's done the former, it's very difficult to tell because at very least they're all dreadfully coached. Possibly they're also overrated. Either way, what we are right now is on Sonny. What we were before he got here is on GP.

Clearly GP still knew talent if you look at the 22 team. I actually think we have talent now too it’s just horribly coached. Dykes being allergic to hiring even a competent D coordinator is his downfall. Our offense turns the ball over because they knew if they don’t score on a drive we’re screwed so they’re pressing.
 

RichardASukup

New Member
I see no reason why this staff should be retained after this season. There won't be any improvement in 2024, and there won't be any improvement in 2025

Might as well just get to it now instead of letting this program fall further and further into the abyss
I see no reason why this staff should be retained after this season. There won't be any improvement in 2024, and there won't be any improvement in 2025

Might as well just get to it now instead of letting this program fall further and further into the abyss
Coaching cant make naturally-gifted players-better yes. Get rid of the entire OFF/DEF line, there's the main problem!!
 
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