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Does anyone honestly expect anything to get better under this staff

Chongo94

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Richardson made some plays. I was surprised how Savion was a non-factor after looking amazing v. UCF.

Generally, frogs seem rich with the skill players, but busted in the trenches.
This has been Savion’s tendency the entire time he’s been here. I’ve never been as high on him as most others and particularly the media seems to be. He’s just far far too inconsistent and goes missing far too often in my opinion.
 

SW toad

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Not to mention, late season improvements mean little under the current state of the game. If winning 2 of your last 3 bring you to the Boullion Cube Bowl that’s ok but the improvements evaporate next season with portal gains and losses. You essentially start over.

We have to find a way to build a team that plays with violence, urgency and aggression out of the gate and allows us to compete in the new reality. I’m not sure everybody’s friend Sonny can create anything that’s not Charmin soft. Other teams with less resources do manage it.
Mentally preparing your players to play SMU and instilling a hunger in the players should not be taken lightly. I don't know if ANY of the coaches broken recorded it enough. Telling them, "This their Super Bowl and you will get above their best" Or how about reminding the TCU team that TCU and Boston College are the only teams to beat SMU in the last year. SMU won the AAC championship last year.
 

LisaLT

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Let’s face it. SMU is a good team. We made WAY too many costly turnovers. FIVE. All 5 resulted in points for SMU. There’s the difference in the game right there. Drive killers. Sloppy play will doom any team.

As for the coaches. They need to go back to the drawing board and fix this mess. If it is fixable.
 

hometown frog

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Sometimes I wonder how things would have played out had TCU hired Coach Prime
The talent increase we would current have on roster right now would be insane. Dudes like a Collin Simmonds would have committed out of HS and some huge names would have come here thru the portal. (TCU is a better destination than CU has been last 2 years.)

now Sanders is prob QB1 instead of Max so I don’t know if we make it to the Natty in year 1 or not. but we would be in WAY better shape right now than we seem to currently be.
 

Chongo94

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The talent increase we would current have on roster right now would be insane. Dudes like a Collin Simmonds would have committed out of HS and some huge names would have come here thru the portal. (TCU is a better destination than CU has been last 2 years.)

now Sanders is prob QB1 instead of Max so I don’t know if we make it to the Natty in year 1 or not. but we would be in WAY better shape right now than we seem to currently be.
I agree with this and whatnot regarding the talent increase. My only problem would be the ruins of what would remain when he would have left. I feel like it would have been scorched earth or nuclear destruction…Colorado may find that out very soon as well.

That said, he would also likely make TCU/Colorado more of a destination for other coaches too after him so there is that.
 

Pinkyfrog

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I agree about the line, I think after Bumpas left we never had a great line, and I think Patterson lost the morale of the team and wasn't flexible enough after Bumpas left. But I think overall he's a much better coach than Dykes, and while our trajectory up was in question, we never looked this bad. I mean we looked terrrrible out there. Dykes wasn't the answer, and he lucked into a perfect storm, which to give him credit he handled well, and we should expect to drop last year, but good lord we look bad now, he's had time to install everything.

Our defense looks wretched, they let everything through, and it's not just a line issue, it's an everything issue, safeties not tackling, running the weird 3-3-5 but not being able to stop runs, linebackers giving up passes, just everything looks bad, on the defensive end there's all the talent, but they're not being coached.

Now if we could get Patterson to be D-Coordinator.....That would be a good middle ground.
 

Dutch

T C U Froooogs
No.

I am jut sick of hearing that we need to bring GP back. Dumb.

Sonny is to blame for this, but it would help if we had some upperclassmen OL and DL that were not brought in via the portal. We have not watched a stud junior or senior OL or DL in a long time.
So GP is to blame. I think we should do like K State did when they brought back Snyder to clean up that poop show.
 

hometown frog

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I agree with this and whatnot regarding the talent increase. My only problem would be the ruins of what would remain when he would have left. I feel like it would have been scorched earth or nuclear destruction…Colorado may find that out very soon as well.

That said, he would also likely make TCU/Colorado more of a destination for other coaches too after him so there is that.
As opposed to the ruined void that seems to be building in the current staff? The amount of flames you had as you smashed into the ground doesn’t really matter after you make contact at that velocity.
 

82 Frog Fever

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So GP is to blame. I think we should do like K State did when they brought back Snyder to clean up that poop show.
Yes a big part of this problem is the result of GP’s poor recruiting.
It takes 2 to 3 years to grow linemen.
GP left TCU 10/31/21, so go to the 2 deep depth chart and find all of the upperclassmen that GP recruited and play OL, DL, or LB. It’s One.
 
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FrogBall09

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Yes a big part of this problem is the result of GP’s poor recruiting.
It takes 2 to 3 years to grow linemen.
GP left TCU 10/31/21, so go to the 2 deep depth chart and find all of the upperclassmen that GP recruited and play OL, DL, or LB. It’s One.
43% of the starting lineman in the top 25 teams have been on campus less than 3 years

So you are wrong
 

Limey Frog

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So GP is to blame. I think we should do like K State did when they brought back Snyder to clean up that poop show.
It was still the right decision to move from GP. He had made abundantly clear that he refused to reorganize his staff and bring in the best coordinators. I felt that was clear by 2019 and said then that he should resign. It took three years for the higher-ups to reach that conclusions, but I understand why--it wasn't an easy decision, but it was a simple one. Once you're convinced that the guy in charge gives you a zero percent chance of getting better, you have to make a change.

That said, the next coach after a legend is almost always a disaster, and the chances of a program like TCU going from one great coach to another were not high. So we had a 0% chance of progress under GP by 2021, and a very low chance of his replacement being much better. We took a long shot decision and for a year it looked to have worked, maybe it still can but I think not. I think we took a long shot and (predictably enough) missed. But if the long shot is your only shot, you still have to take it.
 
I wanted Tony Elliott over Sonny Dykes but I am not giving up on Dykes. The defense is new and may improve this year as players become more comfortable in it. Hoover was a good recruit and the staff has developed him well. The 2023 and 2025 classes are highly rated in recruiting rankings. Have hope and hang in there! At this point it is the prudent and best option and may work out well. But stop the penalties, now.

Patterson won with defensive scheme and being a good talent evaluator with a plan recruiting speed and athletic ability on defense and offense and developing players (coaching them up). We need to see all of that from Dykes.

Hope the good 2025 recruiting class stays committed and signs come December.
 
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