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Big XII actively considering BYU

PurpleBlood87

PurpleBlood87

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Putt4Purple said:
The Armed Forces Bowl 2 years ago here in Fort Worth. Army vs University of Houston. Houston representatives were the players, the band and a few fans which were primarily family and friends of the players and band. The Cougars got stomped. UH did not represent their College University. It was shameful. Where was the support? This is what your asking for when you invite the U. of H. Cougers to the Big 12. Think about it!!!
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Goes back to Hoss Brock's theory on Houston.
 
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asleep003

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Putt4Purple said:
The Armed Forces Bowl 2 years ago here in Fort Worth. Army vs University of Houston. Houston representatives were the players, the band and a few fans which were primarily family and friends of the players and band. The Cougars got stomped. UH did not represent their College University. It was shameful. Where was the support? This is what your asking for when you invite the U. of H. Cougers to the Big 12. Think about it!!!
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Well if UH only had several hundred Cougars there, that would lead one to believe that Army fans brought a huge base, as it was the largest by far(almost sellout/44,700) of the previous some 20 previous bowls. So Army would be a much better candidate !!
 
Prince of Purpoole

Prince of Purpoole

KMA
Jared7 said:
They are called conference killers for the same reason Jamie Lannister was called the KingSlayer. I mean, like, you know, they kill conferences or whatever. Back in 1998, lil ole TCU was just whistling a happy tune and enjoying life while trying to adjust to the post-SWC world in the WAC-16 with its unique pod system and its Cotton/Holiday Bowl tie-ins and its ESPN contract and we had just beaten SMU (despite losing every other game) and good ole boy Frank had finally announced his retirement and we had just stolen some new guy coach named Fran or something from New Mexico (with a weird hyper DC named Gary something) and we had a freshman RB from Waco whose initials were LT or something...

And then, suddenly and deliberately, without warning, the unholy BCS was maliciously formed by Roy Kramer and his evil minions in order to monopolize all post-season money and freeze out all non-BCS members. But the heroic Karl Benson, the WAC Commissioner, went to Congress to testify about the BCS's patent unfairness and create momentum behind access for the struggling masses yearning to breathe free. But he had a toothache and while briefly laid up in the hospital for surgery, just as suddenly, a cabal, no, a "Gang" of 5 WAC CEO's, each on the board of the WAC with a fiduciary duty to protect the conference's interests, met at old Stapleton Airport outside Denver (not the new one that loses luggage all the time) to plot the WAC-16's demise. Their frontman was "Airport Al" Yates, from CSU, but lurking in the background, as always, like Harry Lyme in The Third Man, was BYU, the WAC's universally-acknowledged "leader," who could simply have said no to the whole scheme, but didn't. What resulted was an utter travesty - the Gang of 5 aped the UT Longhorns and withdrew from the WAC and immediately extorted (with a 24-hour deadline), UNM, SDSU and UNLV to join them, leaving the WAC depleted with no winning teams and spread out from Texas to Hawaii. And no Cotton Bowl; no TV contract; no bowl tie-ins and no prospects. It was utter devastation. Like Dresden in Slaughterhouse 5.

Fast forward in a flash (35-34 over AF; Sun Bowl; Landry Burdine; USC; little Fox deal; LT breaking records; Mobile Alabama Bowl; SJfSU; Fran's red tie; GP as coach; C-USA; ESPN deal; beating CSU in Airport Al's final game at the Liberty Bowl; Miami to ACC; break-up of C-USA; MWC; Comcast/CSTV deal; 51-50 over BYU when our player clearly and unequivocably crossed the goal line before the fumble; 13-10 L to Utah in 2008; Top 10 finishes!; Poinsettia Bowl over BSU!; Fiesta Bowl against BSU??!!; major push for BCS waiver to get MWC as BCS conference; invitation to Boise assuring success; Utah to Pac 12 )...

2010. A mere 4 days after the invite to BSU to join the MWC, Utah left. But our hopes to join the big time were not gone! With BSU, BYU and TCU, the MWC still had a chance. But unwilling to share the SLC/Provo market with a BCS (now P5) school, BYU decided to consider independence. But instead of just doing it like Utah, there was intrigue. The dastardly Karl Benson had other plans. Working with Utah State, he tried to entice BYU to place its non-football sports back in the WAC; which they considered strongly. The effort will forever go down in history as The "Benson Project." And not only that, he tried to completely destroy the MWC by also enticing UNLV and SDSU to change back. What did BYU know and when did they know it?? Did they maintain plausible deniability? Were they the archetypical mastermind like Dr. Evil in his lair? Luckily, loose lips sink ships and there was a leak and Hair Thompson (now the hero and earlier the villain) immediately invited Fresno State and Nevada (who very helpfully beat Boise State so we could go for the Roses later that year); killing off the threat of the MWC's untimely demise.

Airport Al and the Gang of 5 and the Benson Project are the reasons BYU is known as a conference killer. Hey, you asked...
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Liked for The Third Man reference
 
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steelfrog

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Steel would guess that the ratio is much more in favor of ED for the pieces of unmitigated dogcrap who post on here regularly
 
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watchoutforthelizard

Turd
There are zero good options for Big 12 expansion. The names being thrown around are just depressing and do nothing to inspire confidence or credibility. Since anything pieced together at this point is the island of misfit toys and going to look/feel like the minors perhaps, just embrace the fact the salad days are behind the little 8 and add more regional rivals. Adding SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Rice, North Texas would bring zero credibility to the conference but it would provide for regional fan rivalry and perhaps encourage attendance which like fundraising/athletics budget is going to drop like a rock once relegation happens. The ship has sailed on the Big 12 having any sort of power or credibility. Is it not better to embrace being a glorified Sunbelt Conference than pretend to be competitive with the big boys?
 
Prince of Purpoole

Prince of Purpoole

KMA
watchoutforthelizard said:
There are zero good options for Big 12 expansion. The names being thrown around are just depressing and do nothing to inspire confidence or credibility. Since anything pieced together at this point is the island of misfit toys and going to look/feel like the minors perhaps, just embrace the fact the salad days are behind the little 8 and add more regional rivals. Adding SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Rice, North Texas would bring zero credibility to the conference but it would provide for regional fan rivalry and perhaps encourage attendance which like fundraising/athletics budget is going to drop like a rock once relegation happens. The ship has sailed on the Big 12 having any sort of power or credibility. Is it not better to embrace being a glorified Sunbelt Conference than pretend to be competitive with the big boys?
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Godalmighty I’d rather go back to the MWC
 
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Klaw

Active Member
asleep003 said:
Yes, BYU/USF/UCF/and Cincy are probly the best choices... if their are 8 teams left in 3 years, which is doubtful. that would be a noticeable league though...
CSU and Boise no!
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Why USF over Boise? USF is horrible in football an basketball while Boise is a national football brand and Boise along with BYU add another tv window and are rivals
 
Bruce Berry

Bruce Berry

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Jared7 said:
They are called conference killers for the same reason Jamie Lannister was called the KingSlayer. I mean, like, you know, they kill conferences or whatever. Back in 1998, lil ole TCU was just whistling a happy tune and enjoying life while trying to adjust to the post-SWC world in the WAC-16 with its unique pod system and its Cotton/Holiday Bowl tie-ins and its ESPN contract and we had just beaten SMU (despite losing every other game) and good ole boy Frank had finally announced his retirement and we had just stolen some new guy coach named Fran or something from New Mexico (with a weird hyper DC named Gary something) and we had a freshman RB from Waco whose initials were LT or something...

And then, suddenly and deliberately, without warning, the unholy BCS was maliciously formed by Roy Kramer and his evil minions in order to monopolize all post-season money and freeze out all non-BCS members. But the heroic Karl Benson, the WAC Commissioner, went to Congress to testify about the BCS's patent unfairness and create momentum behind access for the struggling masses yearning to breathe free. But he had a toothache and while briefly laid up in the hospital for surgery, just as suddenly, a cabal, no, a "Gang" of 5 WAC CEO's, each on the board of the WAC with a fiduciary duty to protect the conference's interests, met at old Stapleton Airport outside Denver (not the new one that loses luggage all the time) to plot the WAC-16's demise. Their frontman was "Airport Al" Yates, from CSU, but lurking in the background, as always, like Harry Lyme in The Third Man, was BYU, the WAC's universally-acknowledged "leader," who could simply have said no to the whole scheme, but didn't. What resulted was an utter travesty - the Gang of 5 aped the UT Longhorns and withdrew from the WAC and immediately extorted (with a 24-hour deadline), UNM, SDSU and UNLV to join them, leaving the WAC depleted with no winning teams and spread out from Texas to Hawaii. And no Cotton Bowl; no TV contract; no bowl tie-ins and no prospects. It was utter devastation. Like Dresden in Slaughterhouse 5.

Fast forward in a flash (35-34 over AF; Sun Bowl; Landry Burdine; USC; little Fox deal; LT breaking records; Mobile Alabama Bowl; SJfSU; Fran's red tie; GP as coach; C-USA; ESPN deal; beating CSU in Airport Al's final game at the Liberty Bowl; Miami to ACC; break-up of C-USA; MWC; Comcast/CSTV deal; 51-50 over BYU when our player clearly and unequivocably crossed the goal line before the fumble; 13-10 L to Utah in 2008; Top 10 finishes!; Poinsettia Bowl over BSU!; Fiesta Bowl against BSU??!!; major push for BCS waiver to get MWC as BCS conference; invitation to Boise assuring success; Utah to Pac 12 )...

2010. A mere 4 days after the invite to BSU to join the MWC, Utah left. But our hopes to join the big time were not gone! With BSU, BYU and TCU, the MWC still had a chance. But unwilling to share the SLC/Provo market with a BCS (now P5) school, BYU decided to consider independence. But instead of just doing it like Utah, there was intrigue. The dastardly Karl Benson had other plans. Working with Utah State, he tried to entice BYU to place its non-football sports back in the WAC; which they considered strongly. The effort will forever go down in history as The "Benson Project." And not only that, he tried to completely destroy the MWC by also enticing UNLV and SDSU to change back. What did BYU know and when did they know it?? Did they maintain plausible deniability? Were they the archetypical mastermind like Dr. Evil in his lair? Luckily, loose lips sink ships and there was a leak and Hair Thompson (now the hero and earlier the villain) immediately invited Fresno State and Nevada (who very helpfully beat Boise State so we could go for the Roses later that year); killing off the threat of the MWC's untimely demise.

Airport Al and the Gang of 5 and the Benson Project are the reasons BYU is known as a conference killer. Hey, you asked...
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That said, they are option 1 at this point. Not even close. UCF 2.
 
The Bad Guy

The Bad Guy

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watchoutforthelizard said:
There are zero good options for Big 12 expansion. The names being thrown around are just depressing and do nothing to inspire confidence or credibility. Since anything pieced together at this point is the island of misfit toys and going to look/feel like the minors perhaps, just embrace the fact the salad days are behind the little 8 and add more regional rivals. Adding SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Rice, North Texas would bring zero credibility to the conference but it would provide for regional fan rivalry and perhaps encourage attendance which like fundraising/athletics budget is going to drop like a rock once relegation happens. The ship has sailed on the Big 12 having any sort of power or credibility. Is it not better to embrace being a glorified Sunbelt Conference than pretend to be competitive with the big boys?
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I disagree, sure losing 2 major blue blood programs suck even though one has only been playoff competitive in the last decade however..

I think adding BYU and UCF would make this conference strong enough to keep going forward. Definitely would be more competitive. Tell me who year in and year out from the PAC would be much more better?

If we add four I think Cincy and Memphis makes the most sense.
 

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