netty2424
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Yah I haven’t seen that addressed anywhere. Anyone got any scoop on that?
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ShreveFrog
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To use a golf analogy, I think we were "between clubs" on that kick. Couldn't decide which kicker to use at that distance.
Ron Swanson
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I’ve always felt that Song was a good kicker when he’s healthy. I have way more confidence he’s gonna hit it straight than I do Bunce.
Bunce has the ability but it seems like he kicks quite a few major pulls where the rotation of the ball is all messed up.
Paint It Purple
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Patterson was quoted in post-game, and I paraphrase: “I wanted Song, but “they” wanted Bunce in the headphones because of the distance.” “We missed the kick, and I said, see I told you so.”
There. Does that sound like Gary’eze?
texas_sicilian
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What that sounds like to me is Gary should have veto rights over offensive and ST plays/players called in... you know, HC gets final say?
He has if nal say. He said they talked him out of Song and that he should have gone with his gut.
Punter1
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He has thrown kickers and punters under the bus repeatedly since he has been HC...which I dont agree with. He rarely does that with position players, if ever.
And as incredibly great GP is at coaching defense I would say he is equally as bad at coaching special teams...and I think that mainly stems from the fact he has never hired a qualified, strong special teams coach. It's always been a "by committee" approach that has rarely worked.
That comment pulls back the curtain on how hard it must be to be a specialist under GP....and how his management skills can sabotage good kickers.
FrogLifeYo
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There seems to be a lot of “by committee” coaching situations with GPS staff...They also tend to be the positions that struggle the most
More Frogs the Better
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I wonder who "they" refers to. I feel like "they" were the only people who thought that Bunce would make it. He made something similar in the Alamo Bowl last year but just did not look confident at all this season. Song's percentage is pretty good so sometimes I wonder if he is just in the perpetual dog house for leaving us high and dry during 2016 when the coaches apparently felt he could kick and did in warm-ups but wouldn't go in the games to the point that they just decided to do a redshirt.
Punter1
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"They" is "The Committee"....which is my point. You got 2 or more coaches trying to figure boat out on the fly.
If I'm the special teams coach, which I was for several HS teams for over 10 years, and I have 2 qualified, healthy kickers going into this year or that bowl game in particular. ..you can be dam sure that each knows when they will be kicking. Bunce...you got everything 35 and under, Song...36 to 52. Or Bunce, handle all kickoffs Song all FGs...no looking over your shoulder if you yank a kickoff out of bounds or shank a FG. It would be crystal clear so they would know when they would be in.
There was a weird rotation to the FGs this year like I have never seen...and I know it messed with both of them.
Paint It Purple
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Easy there Punter. Don’t let your bias go into protection mode for fellow kickers to an extent we attack GP. I don’t see any evidence that it’s any tougher to be a kicker than a defensive back under GP
Sounds like we need a special teams analyst... if not a real ST coordinator.
A smart STC can realistically help turn a 6-6 team into an 8-4 season.
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Punter1
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Fair analysis but he deserves to be attacked after that comment...anything short of "Me and my staff darned that up, plain and simple. We got it right the second kick and Song nailed it."..is inexcusable.
But I love GP, think he's the best defensive coach in America and because of that it usually hides special team miscues...but if you really pay attraction to his the special teams have been handled and commented on the way former kickers like me do...you would agree it's been jacked up for a long time.
FrogLifeYo
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As weird as it sounds, I think a highly qualified and experienced Special Teams coach and great WR coach would Damn near cure a lot of what has ailed us over the years...
Paint It Purple
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The “they” was qualified in the OP as “paraphrased”. Don’t know how to fact check where that report originated or exactly what he said.
This would be some common sense which GP will have no part of. Much like his expertise on time management...
More Frogs the Better
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Well, the bolded part was obvious. I was referring to who in particular comprises this committee of "they." As to the rest of it, yeah, the you kick this time and you kick that time, no you, no I meant you sort of rotation was ridiculous. Perhaps it is the same group that decides the receiver rotation and which receiver gets to play in a game, get some catches, and then disappears for the next 4 games.
CountryFrog
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Other than Turpin, the special teams units were very average at best. But most years under GP we've had some of the best special teams units in the country. Seems like a very what have you done for me lately mentality to start crushing him now for special teams stuff.
Peacefrog
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Punt return yards against was like -15 in 2014. That was good special teams.
RufeBruton
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Iloka was a beast in the Peach Bowl. (nodding in agreement)
