Frognosticator
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I don't think you understand the rule. A player is only offsides when the ball is passed, either by kicking or heading. If the player is onsides when the ball is passed, then he beats the defender, its no foul.TCUFrogs said:
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TCUFrogs
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Frognosticator said:
Ok. It seems arbitrary when that dude throws out the offsides flag. Like it depends who is playing. In my limited viewing of the game, it seems inconsistent.
And yes, you'd think if you beat the defender it wouldn't be called.
Am I still seeing these plays wrong? You suggesting they are called correctly each time?
Purp
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For the most part they're called correctly. There are certainly times where it is not as clear cut and even a borderline call when viewed on replay. I'd prefer to see the rule go back to the way it was called 15 or so years ago when I was in middle and high school where if a portion of the offensive player's body is even with a portion of the last defender's body then he should be considered onside. That would increase offensive chances and also make it a little easier on linesmen to make better calls. Even then you'd see difficult calls to make, similar to balls and strikes in baseball, but it'd be a little less common that one is controversial.TCUFrogs said:
One other caveat to the rule requires the player in offsides position to be involved in the play. If an offensive player was humping the corner flag while his team crossed the ball behind the defense and scored the play would not be ruled offsides b/c the player humping the corner flag was not involved in the play. If a defender were drawn away from the play to defend him, however, he would be deemed a part of the play.
I think a few offsides calls were made by mistake and a couple others missed in the tournament, but I don't believe it was called incorrectly; it's a judgement call that, at full speed, can't be perfect every time. The offsides that negated an Argentina goal yesterday was very clearly correct. Two offensive players were behind the last field defender by a couple yards when the cross was made.
Ron Swanson
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TCUFrogs said:
No part of your body can be past all of the opposing team's defenders (with the exception of the goalie) when the pass is kicked.
Frog-in-law1995
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The only point in time when a player has to worry about being offsides is the instant the pass is kicked. The player only has to wait until the pass is kicked (or headed) and then he can run past any defenders. The ball doesn't have to cross any imaginary lines first.TCUFrogs said:
SwissArmyFrog
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These days, they do slow-mo replays with line drawings to show whether the correct call was made or not. One of the better ways to learn the rule, I think.
SwissArmyFrog
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The ref in your sig photo has the most well-developed back muscles I have ever seen 
Purp
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Sorta. Your description made it sound like offsides position was determined by the location of the ball rather than the timing of the pass, but you may understand it.TCUFrogs said:
Just to be clear, a player cannot advance past the last defender until a ball leaves the passer's foot. He can advance past the last defender before the ball goes by the last defender as long as the ball has already been passed. For example, a ball may be passed from midfield to a player on top of the 18 yard box so the player passing the final defender would take less time than the ball traveling 40 yards through the air.
This rule does not apply when the offensive player receiving the pass is behind the ball when it is passed to him. In other words, if the player crossing the ball crosses it from the corner near the flag to a player at the penalty spot it doesn't matter if the last defender is at midfield; the player receiving the pass is onside. This caveat does not apply on corner kicks.
One final caveat that you may never see in a game occurs when the goal keeper is caught too far up field. The offsides rule actually requires that an offensive player be behind the last TWO defenders, but since the keeper is nearly always one of those defenders it is usually taught as the relationship between the attacker and the last defender. In the event that the goal keeper is caught up field, the attacking player must be behind the final two defenders when the pass is kicked to him. As I said, though, I've only seen this called a half dozen times in my life so if you don't watch soccer often you'll likely never see it.
TCUFrogs
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So, that ball that was headed back towards the goal over all the defenders.....and the Argentina player had it land in front of him in the wide open - for a wide open shot (with just the Goalie to beat who was not in great position), but couldn't kick it close or into the net would have counted? If he hadn't missed it so poorly?
Ron Swanson
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TCUFrogs said:
Yes
Frog-in-law1995
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YesTCUFrogs said:
SwissArmyFrog
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Ron Swanson said:
Guess if the opposing team "passes" you the ball, the offsides rule is "off".
I played soccer for about 16 years as an adult, and never ran into that situation (that I recall...perhaps being on the field, w/out a birds-eye view, and in that particular situation, you just chase the ball and kick and hope it all turns out ok).
Frognosticator
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Hey Stupid. Quit asking stupid questions and annoying everybody. Stick with wrassling.steelfrog said:
You're fat too.
