tcuwags
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There was a concern about two teams being both Purple and Wildcats. Northwestern and Weber State check both of those boxes. Maybe we look,for more Wildcats and have a whole Wildcat division. We could add Abilene Christian, too.
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There was a concern about two teams being both Purple and Wildcats. Northwestern and Weber State check both of those boxes. Maybe we look,for more Wildcats and have a whole Wildcat division. We could add Abilene Christian, too.
Big Frog II
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Right now I don't think anyone knows how this will end except, Texas and Oklahoma are as good as gone. Can the remaining 8 stay together? I doubt it. Will the Pac12 or ACC lose schools? Possible. I doubt this gets solved anytime soon. Just hope that Texas and Oklahoma stay the next two seasons to allow us some extra time to get things worked out. Again, I really hate what has become of college athletics. Regardless, we must continue to adapt to survive.
LVH
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It's not hard at all to see where this is going - a college "premiere league" of the top 24 to 32 schools. Once you realize that is the end game, it all makes sense, and why if we were to join the Pac 12, it would be meaningless
tcufootballjh98
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flyfishingfrog
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The TV networks will tell them who is in based on who they are willing to pay for….in fact my understanding is two major networks basically have already done this
find it funny that anyone thinks how well you have played in the recent past has a thing to do with it
what school exactly has a valid argument they bring more viewers to a game than Texas? And thus more ad money for the broadcast
And who are you going to sue and for what? Your school not being big enough for inclusion?
flyfishingfrog
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Frozen Frog
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If it is moving to 32-48 teams I am not sure I want TCU to be a part of it. The financial windfall would be great, but the financial costs would likely be far greater. All of these moves could come down to who has the biggest pocketbook, and the smaller ones might not survive. There are already concerns about schools going under financially. This could only make it worse.
TCU's best hope is the Big Ten doesn't grab Notre Lame or another ACC team. They are the big fish, but so far they have remained steady. No school is going to leave the SEC or Big Ten for the ACC! WVU is probably has the fewest options, but it may be in the best position for a new conference. The ACC in its current state is most likely. If AAU is not an issue as some are asking with the Big Ten then that could be a possibility. If Mizzou goes to the Big Ten then the SEC might look at WVU. Away from having 2 full openings going west is tough on the ACC.
All of that being said of the western 7 remaining schools in the Big 12 if any 2 of the big state schools join the SEC or Big Ten likely opens the door for TCU. I still think the Pac takes TCU. TCU may not deliver the DFW or Texas TV market, but presence in DFW for alumni and recruiting is desirable.
TCU's best hope is the Big Ten doesn't grab Notre Lame or another ACC team. They are the big fish, but so far they have remained steady. No school is going to leave the SEC or Big Ten for the ACC! WVU is probably has the fewest options, but it may be in the best position for a new conference. The ACC in its current state is most likely. If AAU is not an issue as some are asking with the Big Ten then that could be a possibility. If Mizzou goes to the Big Ten then the SEC might look at WVU. Away from having 2 full openings going west is tough on the ACC.
All of that being said of the western 7 remaining schools in the Big 12 if any 2 of the big state schools join the SEC or Big Ten likely opens the door for TCU. I still think the Pac takes TCU. TCU may not deliver the DFW or Texas TV market, but presence in DFW for alumni and recruiting is desirable.
BrewingFrog
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Cynical, and probably right on target.
flyfishingfrog
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Well I look at like this - if the NFL had a chance to start over - would Green Bay have a franchise?
And why does the NFL keep trying so hard to get a team(s) in LA?
BrewingFrog
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Because the TV people are imbeciles?
The NFL can't draw flies in LA. The denizens of that place actually enjoyed not having a team, because then the ridiculous NFL blackout rules didn't apply and they could watch the better matchups.
It's really about the approach of the new sociopaths that run TV and Media in general. There is no such thing as tradition, or history. Only here, and now. It's the Atlantic City* approach to each and every event or sport they get control of. As of a few days ago, they now control College Football completely, having broken the last traditional, regional ties to population and viewership. Moving forward, it will simply be an anodyne, flavorless exercise lamely spiced up by increasingly moronic announcers and more commercials.
*Dennis Leary once ranted: "There's two ways of doing this, the Las Vegas way, and the Atlantic City way. Vegas is like, 'C'mon out! Have some fun! Spend some money!' Atlantic City is 'Screw you! Give us your money!'"
FrogByBirth
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When younger, I travelled all over the world 3 times.
For the last 15 years we have travelled the U.S. every month for our pleasure and entertainment.
Constant trips. Golf trips, fishing trips, Wine trips, Food trips, Concerts..........
Then all the LIBERAL [ Finebaum ] started in Oregon, New York, Washington, Chicago, DC, Massachusetts, California, etc., etc...
I have refused to support any of these LIB [ Finebaum ] hole states/cities with my tourism money since- because they lie and spin and destroy their own cities and our country for some BS Narratives. "White Rage...... what a bunch of [ Finebaum ]!!!"
It's not that hard too understand if you read my entire post........unless you've been living on a toadstool somewhere, or you're a LIB
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flyfishingfrog
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Pretty much - which is why this move by OU/Texas truly is the end of college football
this isn’t a mid to bottom dweller leaving the B12 for “greener” pastures - this is two teams that control our conference leaving to begin to form a league of elites to get away from those of us they see as inferior - not on the field but in overall structure
the game is not about wins and losses at any levels anymore - it is about dollars and cents to the
Schools and now the players- and it’s going to be worse than the NFL since they had decades to adjust with concepts like salary caps, the draft, free and restrictive free agency, contracts
none of which college has in place
After 2025 college athletics will begin to crumble away quickly as football stops being able or willing to fund everything else
BrewingFrog
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The thing I cannot understand in this matter, and I touched on this yesterday, is the literal giving up of their control over their fortunes this move represents.
As you say, UT ruled the BIGXII and had since DeLoss Dodds cobbled it together lo these many years ago. Even with 10 members, and an uncertain landscape before us, the BIGXII was a viable and valuable property, and UT called all the shots within and without. Now, they are on the fringe of the heartland of the SEC, and facing far more capable Programs than they have been losing to in the BIGXII. They do not control the layout of Divisions, or get to put a thumb on the scales of Conference decisions like they used to. They are now a very junior partner, and not the Grand Poo-Bah.
Is all that money (theoretically) worth the loss of self-determination and influence?
tcufootballjh98
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You underestimate how delusional Texas has become. They truly believe they can compete for SEC championships after going .500 in Big-12 play over the last decade.
Eight
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you do realize that even though the thread title asks the question about "where we will end up" this isn't a travel thread or poll?
BrewingFrog
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Perhaps. One would hope that the "Brain Trust" making the decisions over there would be a bit more, I dunno, level headed? Realistic?
Evidently not.
flyfishingfrog
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The reality is if they don’t move to be part of this new elite group - they would lose out on the chance to play for the title
just like FCS teams have their own championship- every level will end up with their own and only those teams in the elite 24/32 will have a shot at the top prize
the rest of us will most likely form a tier 2 championship for the B team squads
so they could have said no and been relegated like the rest of us but they would never admit they can’t compete
BrewingFrog
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I don't believe that is the case. UT is a Brand Name Program, a ratings magnet, and commands the attention of at least two of the largest TV markets in the US. They have a legion of Alumni and T-Shirt fans all over the Nation, and thus commanded their destiny to a large degree. TCU, or Vanderbilt for that matter, has none of those advantages. A "Great West Conference" marketed with UT and OU in the East, and USC, UCLA in the West would have been a dandy foil to the "Greater SEC." But, alas...
I don't think UT had much say in the matter. They were probably made a suggestion, or, "an offer he can't refuse." The SEC was probably made a nice offer as well. No way this happens without prior approval of the people with the checkbook. In the end, all the Collegiate parties are simply pieces being moved about on a board.
I believe ESPN/Disney is simply hoarding all the Big Players and telling the Streamers to go and pound sand. They have the SEC under contract, probably for a good long while, and they are expanding the property they own. They also own the Playoff, and thus, control the Game in it's entirety for the next few years.
Go take a crap on someone else's thread please... tell us where the frogs end up !!!
Dogfrog
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It’s a Disney/ Hearst corporate takeover of college football. UT is a major brand, that may be panicking a little because they have sucked on the field and Daddy ESPN has not been real pleased with their [ Finebaum ] Longhorn network. They most likely firmly believe that it will be ESPN who determines who is relevant and who is not long term, so better join them than get beaten by them.
