Off season thought...Why WV and not Louisville ?

[Dutch]

I think that WV and UL were probably headed to the Big 12 before CDC went to Austin and closed the deal with Deloss to get the Frogs in. Why did the conference take WV and not UL for the other spot ? The ACC went out if their way to shun WV. and it is the poorest state. UL sure seems to have more upside. Was it Oliver Luck’s state of Texas ties ?

 

[FrogLifeYo]

I don’t think it was driven by the Big 12s desire for WVU over UL as much as it was UL feeling like they were a better fit with the ACC..

 

[TheElephant]

Pretty sure they were heavily marketing themselves for he Big 12 and for some reason the interim commissioner didn't see the benefit of having them. Still scratching my head on that one, but WVU was not a bad addition.

 

[Big Frog II]

Maybe they didn't like the Louisville AD or coaches. As for both Louisville and WVU headed to the Big 12 before us, who knows. I do believe the out of Texas schools wanted us, but Texas had to be convinced. CDC succeeded. That left one more place once Missouri announced they were leaving. That was a real bad move on their part.

 

[CountryFrog]

I don’t think it was driven by the Big 12s desire for WVU over UL as much as it was UL feeling like they were a better fit with the ACC..

Louisville was on hands and knees begging for a Big 12 invite. At that time, the ACC was not an option.

 

[RollToad]

Where they screwed up was leaving Baylor in.

 

[SnoSki]

I don’t think it was driven by the Big 12s desire for WVU over UL as much as it was UL feeling like they were a better fit with the ACC..

This was my recollection as well.

 

[TCUdirtbag]

I think that WV and UL were probably headed to the Big 12 before CDC went to Austin and closed the deal with Deloss to get the Frogs in. Why did the conference take WV and not UL for the other spot ? The ACC went out if their way to shun WV. and it is the poorest state. UL sure seems to have more upside. Was it Oliver Luck’s state of Texas ties ?

Interesting revisionist history.

When TCU was admitted (October 11), A&M had just left (September 25)) and there was only one open membership. Missouri was still stating its commitment to the league and the SEC kicked tires on several ACC schools (this was before the ACC had a grant of rights and large buyouts) and West Virginia (TCU’s change in plans after Pitt and Syracuse’s departures wrecked the Big East) before ultimately inviting Missouri (November 6). Note that WVU received its Big 12 invite inn October 28, though it was delayed a couple days by a late push by Mitch McConnell to get Louisville added instead. At the time of the WVU invite, it wasn’t certain Missouri would leave but it was expected. The 2-week period between TCU and WVU’s admission was chaotic with Missouri all over the place and the Big 12 uncertain if it was going to stay at 10 or go back to 12.

It’s easy to look back and say they added TCU and West Virginia at the same time, but that’s not really how it played out in real time. The landscape was shifting every day and the league was being very responsive—not proactive. It was a great turn of fortune for TCU. And IMO they made the right move taking WVU over Louisville.

 

[The Artist Formerly Known as PhormerPhrog]

I think WV was pretty adamant they didn't want LV in the B12.

 

[TCUdirtbag]

Louisville was on hands and knees begging for a Big 12 invite. At that time, the ACC was not an option.

This is correct. No one had left the ACC and they weren’t looking to add unless the SEC poached a member (SEC ultimately went with Missouri). Remember, Louisville didn’t join the ACC until 2014, filling the membership vacated by Maryland when the Terps and Rutgers moved to the Big Ten.

 

[CountryFrog]

Interesting revisionist history.

When TCU was admitted (October 11), A&M had just left (September 25)) and there was only one open membership. Missouri was still stating its commitment to the league and the SEC kicked tires on several ACC schools (this was before the ACC had a grant of rights and large buyouts) and West Virginia (TCU’s change in plans after Pitt and Syracuse’s departures wrecked the Bjg East) before ultimately inviting Missouri (November 6). Note that WVU received its Big 12 invite inn October 28, though it was delayed a couple days by a late push by Mitch McConnell to get Louisville added instead. At the time of the WVU invite, it wasn’t certain Missouri would leave but it was expected. The 2-week period between TCU and WVU’s admission was chaotic with Missouri all over the place and the Big 12 uncertain if it was going to stay at 10 or go back to 12.

It’s easy to look back and say they added TCU and West Virginia at the same time, but that’s not really how it played out in real time. The landscape was shifting every day and the league was being very responsive—not proactive. It was a great turn of fortune for TCU. And IMO they made the right move taking WVU over Louisville.

This is a pretty spot on recap. The Big 12 clearly chose TCU first above everyone else after A&M left. Then, after that, there was a debate between Louisville and WV. I also think WV was the better choice. The only thing that I think would've been better (and this is what I wanted at the time) was for the Big 12 to take BOTH schools. For whatever reason, though, they only wanted to take one.

 

[Froginbedford]

TCU and Louisville had begun a pretty good rivalry in the CUSA....It would have been interesting to see that grow in intensity with both in the Big 12...football and baseball....

 

[Despite the odds Frog]

This is a pretty spot on recap. The Big 12 clearly chose TCU first above everyone else after A&M left. Then, after that, there was a debate between Louisville and WV. I also think WV was the better choice. The only thing that I think would've been better (and this is what I wanted at the time) was for the Big 12 to take BOTH schools. For whatever reason, though, they only wanted to take one.

This.

Big 12 should of took both but they were waiting on Notre Dame , the golden goose. ACC after losing Maryland could of took UConn, but decided to block Big 12 and take UL. Big 12 was sitting on their hands because ESPN was using the Longhorn connection telling them not to take both. Big 12 was holding out for Notre Dame as the UT AD and the ND AD supposedly had a strong connection (little did UT AD know he was being played). Then ESPN and ACC takes UL and Notre Dame (ND other sports not football). Then Interim Commissioner Chuck Neinas saved Big 12 by making the Sugar Bowl agreement with the SEC Champion.

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/20...culous-months-big-east-football-news-timeline

 

[TCUdirtbag]

Here is your 2010-14 Realignment Timeline:

- December 15, 2009: B1G announces intent to expand to 12 or 14 members

- February 9, 2010: Pac-10 announces interest in expanding

- June 7, 2010: Pac-10 reportedly approved invitations to Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado

- June 10, 2010: Colorado accepts Pac-10 invitation

- June 11, 2010: Nebraska formally applies for B1G membership, is accepted

- June 11, 2010: Boise State accepts invitation to join the Mountain West

- June 14, 2010: Texas rejects Pac-10 invitation with pledges from TTU, OU and OSU to stay in the Big 12

- June 16, 2010: Utah accepts Pac-10 invitation

- August 31, 2010: BYU announces its departure from the MWC to become an FBS independent

- August 31, 2010: Nevada and Fresno State accept invitations to join the MWC

November 2, 2010: Big East announces intent to expand from 8 to 10 football schools

- November 29, 2010: TCU accepts invitation to join the Big East

- December 2010: B1G announces no intent to expand beyond 12

- January 19, 2011: ESPN, UT announce LHN deal

- April 2011: Pac-12 signs then-record $250 M/yr TV rights deal with ESPN/FOX

- May 2011: Big East turns down 9-year, $155 M/yr TV rights deal with ESPN, creating great instability

- July 2011: Texas and the LHN announce the channel will air high school football games featuring Texas commits/recruits

- August 26, 2011: LHN launches

- August 31, 2011: A&M Regents announce their intention to move to the SEC

- September 13, 2011: ACC raises exit fee to $20 million

- September 16, 2011: Syracuse and Pitt accept invitations to join the ACC in 2013

- September 21, 2011: Pac-12 declines to add OU and UT (and its LHN)

- September 25, 2011: Texas A&M formally accepts invitation to join the SEC in 2012

- October 2, 2011: Big East members reject Commissioner’s proposal to increase exit fee from $5 M to $15 M

- October 6, 2011: TCU accepts invitation to join the Big 12 in 2012 as the league’s 10th member, Big 12 approves grant of rights (Missouri abstains from grant of rights vote)

- October 14, 2011: CUSA and the MWC announce a 22-Member football alliance, which ultimately fell through

- October 27, 2011: Missouri announces intent to join SEC

- October 28, 2011: West Virginia accepts invitation to join the Big 12 in 2012 (Missouri not listed in the press release as an expected member in 2012)

- November 6, 2011: Missouri formally accepts invitation to join the SEC

- December 7, 2011: Big East invites Boise State, SDSU, SMU and UCF, in the first of many desperate moves

- May 9, 2012: AD Tom Jurich announces Louisville is seeking membership in the ACC or Big 12

- June 26, 2012: 4-team playoff approved by BCS oversight committee

- September 12, 2012: Notre Dame accepts invitation to join the ACC in all sports except football, for which they agree to a special scheduling agreement

- September 12, 2012: ACC raises exit fee to $50 million

- November 19, 2012: Maryland accepts offer to join the B1G in 2014

- November 20, 2012: Rutgers accepts offer to join the B1G in 2014

- November 21, 2012: ESPN and BCS reach a TV rights deal for the CFP (2014-2025)

- November 28, 2012: Louisville accepts invitation to join the ACC in 2014

- December 15, 2012: 7 non-football schools announce they will leave the Big East, ultimately leading to the formation of the American Athletic Conference and the return of several pledged Big East members to the MWC. Later this month, Western Big East football expansion members would start reneging on their acceptance of offers to join the BE/AAC in football only, opting to stay in the MWC.

- April 22, 2013: ACC members agree to a grant of rights

 

[purplePPO]

Nice work Dirtbad!

 

[LeagueCityFrog]

It was Chuck Nienas and OU who saved this conference. For those of you out there who don't know Chuck Nienas, he was the long time Big 8 commissioner, and a great one at that, the Big XII was his legacy and he stepped back in to save it. OU leadership had a family connection to TCU and they were the ones that called TCU and said Del Conte closed the deal with UT after OU told Texas there WILL BE four schools from Texas in this conference. Big XII is going to be fine because of the TV deal Nienas made in 2012 and OU standing tall and most importantly with OU and UT laughing all the way to the bank and I'm cool with that. Both schools respect TCU. We are good. Go Frogs.

 

[Despite the odds Frog]

If you say this to an Aggie,

"June 14, 2010: Texas rejects Pac-10 invitation with pledges from TTU, OU and OSU to stay in the Big 12"

they would tell you they rejected the Pac deal. That UT went behind their backs trying to make this deal happen. That UT had secret conversations with the Pac. Had the schedules lined up, didn't work with A&M just tried to dictate the move and A&M said no way. They will tell you to this day UT still wants to join that conference. That UT is always thinking about themselves and not the conference and how great it is to be away from that virus of a school.

Every Aggie I know says and remembers that as the history.

 

[Waccy Frog]

Louisville would have been No 11, an odd number. So many assumed Cincy would be No 12, and I think the league’s lukewarm attitude towards Cincy killed them both.

Importantly, at the time, the ACC looked to be in trouble. At the time, Neinas saw the potential to add FSU, Miami and Clemson. And the Big 12 was talking to ND about a football affiliation. Then ND associated with the ACC, and the ACC signed a new grant of rights, and that strategy died.

In retrospect, maybe we should have taken Louisville and Cincy. Or maybe we will be better off without them in the next round of negotiations/realignment. Only time will tell.

 

[Dutch]

Here is your 2010-14 Realignment Timeline:

- December 15, 2009: B1G announces intent to expand to 12 or 14 members

- February 9, 2010: Pac-10 announces interest in expanding

- June 7, 2010: Pac-10 reportedly approved invitations to Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado

- June 10, 2010: Colorado accepts Pac-10 invitation

- June 11, 2010: Nebraska formally applies for B1G membership, is accepted

- June 11, 2010: Boise State accepts invitation to join the Mountain West

- June 14, 2010: Texas rejects Pac-10 invitation with pledges from TTU, OU and OSU to stay in the Big 12

- June 16, 2010: Utah accepts Pac-10 invitation

- August 31, 2010: BYU announces its departure from the MWC to become an FBS independent

- August 31, 2010: Nevada and Fresno State accept invitations to join the MWC

November 2, 2010: Big East announces intent to expand from 8 to 10 football schools

- November 29, 2010: TCU accepts invitation to join the Big East

- December 2010: B1G announces no intent to expand beyond 12

- January 19, 2011: ESPN, UT announce LHN deal

- April 2011: Pac-12 signs then-record $250 M/yr TV rights deal with ESPN/FOX

- May 2011: Big East turns down 9-year, $155 M/yr TV rights deal with ESPN, creating great instability

- July 2011: Texas and the LHN announce the channel will air high school football games featuring Texas commits/recruits

- August 26, 2011: LHN launches

- August 31, 2011: A&M Regents announce their intention to move to the SEC

- September 13, 2011: ACC raises exit fee to $20 million

- September 16, 2011: Syracuse and Pitt accept invitations to join the ACC in 2013

- September 21, 2011: Pac-12 declines to add OU and UT (and its LHN)

- September 25, 2011: Texas A&M formally accepts invitation to join the SEC in 2012

- October 2, 2011: Big East members reject Commissioner’s proposal to increase exit fee from $5 M to $15 M

- October 6, 2011: TCU accepts invitation to join the Big 12 in 2012 as the league’s 10th member, Big 12 approves grant of rights (Missouri abstains from grant of rights vote)

- October 14, 2011: CUSA and the MWC announce a 22-Member football alliance, which ultimately fell through

- October 27, 2011: Missouri announces intent to join SEC

- October 28, 2011: West Virginia accepts invitation to join the Big 12 in 2012 (Missouri not listed in the press release as an expected member in 2012)

- November 6, 2011: Missouri formally accepts invitation to join the SEC

- December 7, 2011: Big East invites Boise State, SDSU, SMU and UCF, in the first of many desperate moves

- May 9, 2012: AD Tom Jurich announces Louisville is seeking membership in the ACC or Big 12

- June 26, 2012: 4-team playoff approved by BCS oversight committee

- September 12, 2012: Notre Dame accepts invitation to join the ACC in all sports except football, for which they agree to a special scheduling agreement

- September 12, 2012: ACC raises exit fee to $50 million

- November 19, 2012: Maryland accepts offer to join the B1G in 2014

- November 20, 2012: Rutgers accepts offer to join the B1G in 2014

- November 21, 2012: ESPN and BCS reach a TV rights deal for the CFP (2014-2025)

- November 28, 2012: Louisville accepts invitation to join the ACC in 2014

- December 15, 2012: 7 non-football schools announce they will leave the Big East, ultimately leading to the formation of the American Athletic Conference and the return of several pledged Big East members to the MWC. Later this month, Western Big East football expansion members would start reneging on their acceptance of offers to join the BE/AAC in football only, opting to stay in the MWC.

- April 22, 2013: ACC members agree to a grant of rights

Now I remember why I was an emotional wreck during those years !

 

[Dutch]

If you say this to an Aggie,

"June 14, 2010: Texas rejects Pac-10 invitation with pledges from TTU, OU and OSU to stay in the Big 12"

they would tell you they rejected the Pac deal. That UT went behind their backs trying to make this deal happen. That UT had secret conversations with the Pac. Had the schedules lined up, didn't work with A&M just tried to dictate the move and A&M said no way. They will tell you to this day UT still wants to join that conference. That UT is always thinking about themselves and not the conference and how great it is to be away from that virus of a school.

Every Aggie I know says and remembers that as the history.

Aggies are often delusional though. If Texas would have wanted to go they would have...right ?