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DMFWTX

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Does anyone have any experience with CBD gummies? I have struggled with shoulder and back pain for years, but after I dropped some body weight my back has been much better although, I still have tightness and aches and it keeps me up at night from time to time.

Looking into a bottle of Sunday Scaries gummies to see if it helps relax the back at all.

My Dr. has told me to take every route possible to avoid seeing a back specialist for surgery until I can no longer handle it. He isn’t a fan of prescribing narcotics for pain management. I also see a chiropractor that does a good job, but the dull pain never seems to go away.

never tried the gummie route. i get some relief with Prevail salve for minor knee pain (pes anserinus). I'm not a fan of chiro's to fix anything, too many provide relief w/o fixing. there are few good one's out there, but hard to trust if you don't know anyhting about them. Try the PT route, see if you can find a Mckenzie Method trained PT. Better yet, find a DO doctor that practices in manipulative medicine. There's some great one's in Fort Worth, but I know you're not here.
 

DMFWTX

Active Member
What about the chiro is to be avoided? I go once every two weeks bc if I don't go regularly I get debilitating pain totally out of the blue. I have a protrusion in the L5/S1, bulging in every other lumbar disc, and arthritis throughout the lumbar spine. After years of trying all sorts of things the thing that seems to help the most is staying aligned with the chiro. If I don't go regularly and stay misaligned for too long the inflammation gets out of hand and causes all sorts of pain. I literally get to where I can't walk.

I've heard all kinds of bad things about chiropractors, but my experience has been very good and effective. Might it just be that some are very good and others are very bad and you really want to make sure you stay away from the bad ones?

Chiro's have their place, and if going back every two weeks is what you need, then go for it. Especially if you can afford it. Too many don't fix though.

I know few people who got relief from the osteopathic drs at TCOM. No longer seeing a pain management dr.

https://www.unthsc.edu/patient-care/specialties/osteopathic-manipulative-medicine/
 

ATC Frog

Active Member
never tried the gummie route. i get some relief with Prevail salve for minor knee pain (pes anserinus). I'm not a fan of chiro's to fix anything, too many provide relief w/o fixing. there are few good one's out there, but hard to trust if you don't know anyhting about them. Try the PT route, see if you can find a Mckenzie Method trained PT. Better yet, find a DO doctor that practices in manipulative medicine. There's some great one's in Fort Worth, but I know you're not here.

To each their own, but IMO the McKenzie method (MDT) is trash. The guy who developed it supposedly ignore evidence that proved contrary to his theory. I’m more of a muscle energy technique (MET) guy myself. However, I did have a professor/clinician in PT score that swore by MDT, for whatever that’s worth to this group.
 

ATC Frog

Active Member
I saw one of those quacks once at the FW VA clinic. Dude never asked me what my issue was, where my pain was, and to what extent I was experiencing it. Just told me to stand up straight while he straightened his arms and put his extended hands on my shoulders. He'd push down on one side and then the other and close one eye as if he were looking through a monocular scope to get a precise measurement. Did that from the front and then the back. Then he poked me in various places around the neck and ribs; I thought he was trying to tickle me. Occasionally he'd ask if I had any pain or discomfort in a particular area as he did this. Then he had me lay down on his table and popped my neck and then a couple spots in my back (upper and middle) and told me I should be perfectly back to normal by the next day, but if I still had issues to call back in a few days and set another appointment.

I told him my pain was in my lower back and, if he'd care to look at my file in the VA computer system he'd be able to see the various structural issues captured in the MRI taken directly beneath him. Then he adjusted my lower back and said to make a follow up appointment for the next week without actually looking at my scans or the radiology report from them. I went back to my civilian chiro after that even though I have to pay when I go to him. The guy at the VA was an absolute clown and I always pay to get medical care better and faster than what I get through the VA when it's not adequate the first time.

I don't see chiropractic care as anything more than a means to keeping my body aligned and getting out of extreme pain when flare-ups happen. I'm not expecting it to cure me permanently. I don't think that exists without surgery and I'm loathe to consider that option until it is absolutely necessary. I coincidentally just had an appointment last Friday at the VA with the physical medicine and rehab clinic regarding my back issues. It's only taken two years to get that appointment and I'd already paid for the same thing with my civilian chiro (whose wife is a PT and operates out of the same clinic he does). As you described I was on a 6-8 week program designed to teach me various stretches and resistance band movements that would help strengthen my core and promote flexibility. My issue is I don't have the discipline to complete those exercises and stretches daily so I tend to have more flare-ups than I might otherwise.

I'll likely start another 2 month training cycle with the VA PT and focus more on a program that I'll actually do. I'm probably going to end up going the yoga route. I really like CrossFit, but don't have the time for it and need something lower impact on my body. I would always go down to lower weights to ensure I maintained proper form through the end of the WOD so as to mitigate reinjury. It's great for developing and sustaining core strength, even at lower weights than prescribed, and it's perfect for a slug like me who responds well to coaching, yet can't seem to coach himself.

Even still, with the number of structural issues in my low back I likely still would have issues on occasion if I took perfect care of my back. As a result, I'll probably continue to go to the chiro every other week just to keep myself from getting too off kilter and to minimize the severity of flare-ups when/if they do happen. I've gotten them once or twice a quarter pretty consistently for about 5 years. I'll go from feeling good enough to play an entire season of outdoor soccer to unable to stand up from the toilet and unable to walk with a normal posture. No single movement or activity seems to trigger a flare-up either. Roughly half happen after some type of physical activity (sports or work on/around the house or setting up/tearing down a tailgate) while the other half happen in a time span where I haven't done any physical activity at all.

Sounds like you have a good outlook on the whole thing and have discerned good from bad. Chiros have their place and some do great things in helping people live their life, but like the one at the VA, too many operate on the basis of voodoo for my liking.

The one that owns and operates a clinic with his PT wife sounds like a good situation, a best of both worlds kind of deal.
 

Dogfrog

Active Member
Received an email from ticket office this morning identifying me by account # and seats number, and informing me that my tickets were not scanned for the last game so be sure to give them away or stubhub, etc. Problem is I have used my tickets for every home game except one in January when we were invited to sit court side with friends. Not sure how this happens unless their scanning or scanners screwed up. Not a big deal but kind of a bummer to receive when you’re always there.
 

Eight

Member
Received an email from ticket office this morning identifying me by account # and seats number, and informing me that my tickets were not scanned for the last game so be sure to give them away or stubhub, etc. Problem is I have used my tickets for every home game except one in January when we were invited to sit court side with friends. Not sure how this happens unless their scanning or scanners screwed up. Not a big deal but kind of a bummer to receive when you’re always there.

curious, do you always seem to wear the same clothes day after day

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geezer

Colonel, USAF (Retired)
I saw one of those quacks once at the FW VA clinic. Dude never asked me what my issue was, where my pain was, and to what extent I was experiencing it. Just told me to stand up straight while he straightened his arms and put his extended hands on my shoulders. He'd push down on one side and then the other and close one eye as if he were looking through a monocular scope to get a precise measurement. Did that from the front and then the back. Then he poked me in various places around the neck and ribs; I thought he was trying to tickle me. Occasionally he'd ask if I had any pain or discomfort in a particular area as he did this. Then he had me lay down on his table and popped my neck and then a couple spots in my back (upper and middle) and told me I should be perfectly back to normal by the next day, but if I still had issues to call back in a few days and set another appointment.

I told him my pain was in my lower back and, if he'd care to look at my file in the VA computer system he'd be able to see the various structural issues captured in the MRI taken directly beneath him. Then he adjusted my lower back and said to make a follow up appointment for the next week without actually looking at my scans or the radiology report from them. I went back to my civilian chiro after that even though I have to pay when I go to him. The guy at the VA was an absolute clown and I always pay to get medical care better and faster than what I get through the VA when it's not adequate the first time.

I don't see chiropractic care as anything more than a means to keeping my body aligned and getting out of extreme pain when flare-ups happen. I'm not expecting it to cure me permanently. I don't think that exists without surgery and I'm loathe to consider that option until it is absolutely necessary. I coincidentally just had an appointment last Friday at the VA with the physical medicine and rehab clinic regarding my back issues. It's only taken two years to get that appointment and I'd already paid for the same thing with my civilian chiro (whose wife is a PT and operates out of the same clinic he does). As you described I was on a 6-8 week program designed to teach me various stretches and resistance band movements that would help strengthen my core and promote flexibility. My issue is I don't have the discipline to complete those exercises and stretches daily so I tend to have more flare-ups than I might otherwise.

I'll likely start another 2 month training cycle with the VA PT and focus more on a program that I'll actually do. I'm probably going to end up going the yoga route. I really like CrossFit, but don't have the time for it and need something lower impact on my body. I would always go down to lower weights to ensure I maintained proper form through the end of the WOD so as to mitigate reinjury. It's great for developing and sustaining core strength, even at lower weights than prescribed, and it's perfect for a slug like me who responds well to coaching, yet can't seem to coach himself.

Even still, with the number of structural issues in my low back I likely still would have issues on occasion if I took perfect care of my back. As a result, I'll probably continue to go to the chiro every other week just to keep myself from getting too off kilter and to minimize the severity of flare-ups when/if they do happen. I've gotten them once or twice a quarter pretty consistently for about 5 years. I'll go from feeling good enough to play an entire season of outdoor soccer to unable to stand up from the toilet and unable to walk with a normal posture. No single movement or activity seems to trigger a flare-up either. Roughly half happen after some type of physical activity (sports or work on/around the house or setting up/tearing down a tailgate) while the other half happen in a time span where I haven't done any physical activity at all.

Just a thought:

If your posts were shorter, you'd spend less time hunched over your keyboard=less back strain.

Brevity cures many ills.
 

PO Frog

Active Member
To each their own, but IMO the McKenzie method (MDT) is trash. The guy who developed it supposedly ignore evidence that proved contrary to his theory. I’m more of a muscle energy technique (MET) guy myself. However, I did have a professor/clinician in PT score that swore by MDT, for whatever that’s worth to this group.
Mckenzie method works wonders on my neck if I ever get a crick or wake up wrong. Immediate relief.
 

Frog-in-law1995

Active Member
So I look up from my ipad and my wife is watching Food Network (shocker!). Valerie Bertonelli from One Day at a Time (also EVH’s ex) is now hosting a reality cooking competition show with ten-year-old contestants. This is just absurd. How can people possibly care enough to sustain this show? And what is a “blast chiller” and how does a 4th grader know how to use it?
 

Shorty

Active Member
So I look up from my ipad and my wife is watching Food Network (shocker!). Valerie Bertonelli from One Day at a Time (also EVH’s ex) is now hosting a reality cooking competition show with ten-year-old contestants. This is just absurd. How can people possibly care enough to sustain this show? And what is a “blast chiller” and how does a 4th grader know how to use it?
My wife loves her some kids baking challenge.
 
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