That's also the worst part. You could look at the season and thought we SHOULD have won the TT, UT, WVU, CU, and ISU games and be sitting at 10-2...The fact that we didn't win ANY of them is indicative of the level of suck in the current staff.
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If we had won those games the other team would be saying they should have won them. You can take every game that is decided by less than 10 points and say you should have won that game, but that's kind of ridiculous. How can you possibly watch the UT game and say we should have won?
And why is that just indicative of the level of suck of the staff? Was winning all those close games last indicative of the awesomeness of the staff? Isn't some of that on the players and the fact we lost a bunch of kids that had been playing major minutes for years?
fanatical frog
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A much overlooked point.
Yes, 100% I'm just pointing out how someone could look at the situation. As for UT, that one I'd agree to change from a SHOULD to a COULD have. Again, you can either see it as a great job by the defensive staff (and players, but this is a thread about firing coaches) to make adjustments for the 2nd half, or a complete flop of a 1st half when it comes to game planning and play calling (and execution, of course).
Yes performance ultimately falls on players, but at this level coaching has an outsized impact. Good coaching is absolutely a driver of success or failure.
FrogCop19
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I was told there'd be no math.
Limey Frog
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Yeah, you're more justified in saying that your team should win those push games in years when you're senior-heavy across the board. Last year we were, and we did; this year we weren't, and we didn't. The bummer is that the really great programs have so much talent they find ways to win 8-10 games even in those down years. I'd like TCU to get to that level and hoped we might take a step in that direction this year. We didn't. But we have won 11-13 games in four of the last twelve years with top 10 finishes, a NY6 bowl win, and a playoff win. That's pretty cool and I'd rather have that with our other years being total crap than 12 years of 8-4.
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Limey Frog
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I wouldn't discount the possibility of us making major progress next year with the same staff; never say never. Gillespie was successful at Tulsa and he can turn things around here. The bummer is just that, 11 months after beating Michigan, there is no particular recent reason to enter 2024 with high hopes. Hope, always; high hopes, not so much.
We're just back to showing up in September and waiting to see if TCU is going to be good or not. That has worked out nicely a few times here recently, it could do again.
That really is the difference, we're probably never going to have that superior level of talent that will allow us to win 10 games even in down years. The Top 4-5 teams can basically sleep walk through 75% of their schedules because when you're that much bigger, stronger and faster than everyone you're just not going to close barring some crazy collapse. We can sleep walk through 25% of ours.
Limey Frog
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If that. The way Lashlee is going at SMU, I see 12 winnable games on next year's schedule and 11 losable ones. (Technically at this point the only non-losable game isn't even on the schedule.)
Of course.
The bottom line is whoever he would/will be replaced with will almost surely have warts on his resume. The very best candidates out there likely aren't coming to TCU, we can't pay as much as many schools. And even if we could, those top SEC/BIg 10 schools are going to be where the best guys want to be. So it's either going to be a retread who has had defenses that probably sucked at times (otherwise, why would he be available) or a young guy who is not proven at all. Switching coaches isn't some magic formula for success.
CryptoMiner
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Rumblings but thought this was interesting...
jack the frog
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Firing and hiring is almost an epidemic in the college football world.
Gotta appease those impatient fans, someone else's trash is another's treasure.
Big Frog II
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Oh no, please don't take Gillespie, and what time will you have the moving van ready?
BrewingFrog
Was I supposed to type something here?
(Spoken in B'rer Rabbit voice...)
How is GP not on this list for a place like LSU? At least put him there as a wild card like they have with Aranda. Gotta think if he's not the HC at Houston next year he'd be open to a high profile DC position as a stepping stone to get back in the game. He's certainly seen how that sort of thing gas worked out for guys like Kiffin and Sarkisian.
Frogfam4
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So, am I missing something? TCU people (myself included) want JG gone, but SEC schools have him on their list of top candidates to replace someone.
Yes, that's correct. And if we hire a new guy, there's a very good chance it will be a guy someone is glad to get rid of. That's where we are today.
Limey Frog
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Huh. Can't imagine Mississippi State fans would feel great about it if he were the hire based on TCU's results this year. It's far from guaranteed we would get any better if we do have to make a change, but there's only so much worse we could possibly get next year, too. It's basically a choice between the slings and arrows of this year's outrageous fortunes and ills we know not of with someone else.
Big Frog II
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Not necessarily. It could be a team whose coach has retired, been fired, or moved on at no fault of the DC. Also we could hire someone who want to get back to Texas that would be an upgrade. There are plenty of people out there that could improve on the last two year's defense.
