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Limey Frog

Full Member
Oklahoma - 69 (if they had thrown deep on every play they would have 10 TD's on 11 plays)

Last 7 games away from home 295 points for an average of 42.15
I was there. I've been too traumatized to look at the box score, but this is pretty much what I remember actually happening.

TCU @ OU game footage:
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TCU's defensive backfield:
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Me in the stands:
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fanatical frog

Full Member
It's Tuesday afternoon. He gone yet?

And Yards Per Play Allowed, which I still think, while no stat is perfect, is probably the best way to assess a defense.

Texas...............4.9
Iowa State.....5.0
Oklahoma.....5.3
Texas Tech.....5.5
Kansas............5.6
UCF..................5.7
TCU..................5.7
K-State...........5.7
Houston........5.8
WVU...............5.8
BYU.................5.9
OSU................6.2
Baylor............6.6
Cincinnati....6.6

And Yards Per Play Offense

UCF..................7.0
Kansas............6.8
Oklahoma.....6.6
Texas...............6.4
Iowa State.....6.1
WVU................6.0
TCU..................6.0
OSU.................5.8
K-State...........5.7
Houston........5.5
Cincinnati.....5.4
Texas Tech....5.2
Baylor.............5.1
BYU..................4.6

Overall, I'd say that K-State and OSU (especially)were the TCU '22 of this year, teams that maxed out their potential, either by turnover luck and/or just being opportunistic. UCF was the opposite.
Ypp and ppg are both good barometers and TCU is firmly in the middle one third of the conf in both measures. That is to say, I doubt JG has his house on the market, and he should have no legitimate reason to.

As much as I hate the soft coverage in the secondary and hardly any pressure on opposing QB's the on-field results don't justify a change.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
Ypp and ppg are both good barometers and TCU is firmly in the middle one third of the conf in both measures. That is to say, I doubt JG has his house on the market, and he should have no legitimate reason to.

As much as I hate the soft coverage in the secondary and hardly any pressure on opposing QB's the on-field results don't justify a change.
The results do; the underlying stats may not.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
The results do; the underlying stats may not.
I would agree with you to a degree but you have to admit, as much as it seemed like teams were marching up and the down the field on us at will this year, is it not surprising that seven Big 12 teams gave up more yards per play than we did? And OSU gave up half a yard more per play?

It's kind of like a baseball player who hits it hard but right at somebody over an extended stretch vs a guy that dribbles balls through the infield and gets a bunch of weak singles. The latter has better results but would you feel good about his chances going forward? Just saying, while results matter, you have to look at the total picture as well when making decisions, including who is available.
 

Frogfam4

Active Member
Ypp and ppg are both good barometers and TCU is firmly in the middle one third of the conf in both measures. That is to say, I doubt JG has his house on the market, and he should have no legitimate reason to.

As much as I hate the soft coverage in the secondary and hardly any pressure on opposing QB's the on-field results don't justify a change.
So you are saying the poor play by players/calls by the DC does not justify a change? I might be wrong, but there was a lot of complaints about the defense last year. The only difference is they had players on offense to bail the defense out.
 

steelfrog

Tier 1
So you are saying the poor play by players/calls by the DC does not justify a change? I might be wrong, but there was a lot of complaints about the defense last year. The only difference is they had players on offense to bail the defense out.
Not the only difference -- 2022 the turnovers forced was 1.5/game (65th); this year, 1.0 (113th). 50% more turnovers in 2022.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Not the only difference -- 2022 the turnovers forced was 1.5/game (65th); this year, 1.0 (113th). 50% more turnovers in 2022.
And I'd say about half of turnovers are basically pure luck. Maybe more than half.

Sure, you can create some luck for yourself I suppose, but it still takes the offense making a mistake, usually unforced. How many INTs are thrown where the fans for the offensive team say, man that was a really good throw, but just great defense! It's 95% of the time "that was a dumb throw, how could our QB be so stupid", lol.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
I would agree with you to a degree but you have to admit, as much as it seemed like teams were marching up and the down the field on us at will this year, is it not surprising that seven Big 12 teams gave up more yards per play than we did? And OSU gave up half a yard more per play?

It's kind of like a baseball player who hits it hard but right at somebody over an extended stretch vs a guy that dribbles balls through the infield and gets a bunch of weak singles. The latter has better results but would you feel good about his chances going forward? Just saying, while results matter, you have to look at the total picture as well when making decisions, including who is available.
Yes, I would have thought our yards per play was worse than this. Which just shows how consistent we were at giving up scores when it mattered: we lost very efficiently, giving up many points in games where we scored many (CU, OU) and few when we scored few (WVU, ISU). Then there was K-State...

Unfortunately, in light of this being OU and Texas's last year and us all wanting to see them beaten on their way out, the Big 12 has overall been pretty poor this year.
 

HG73

Active Member
And I'd say about half of turnovers are basically pure luck. Maybe more than half.

Sure, you can create some luck for yourself I suppose, but it still takes the offense making a mistake, usually unforced. How many INTs are thrown where the fans for the offensive team say, man that was a really good throw, but just great defense! It's 95% of the time "that was a dumb throw, how could our QB be so stupid", lol.
Luck and QB pressure. We must get more QB pressure.
 

Bruce Berry

Active Member
The good news is my expectations for next year-especially for the defense-are not high. Really not high.

Like I think even the Tuesday practices are going to suck.

Nobody practices like we do on Tuesdays. Nobody.
 

Chongo94

Active Member
I have resigned myself to the fact that he appears to be staying. I highly doubt any improvement in the defense occurs next year. Pretty bummed.

TCU games will become like me playing old NCAA games….I’ll watch the offense and change the channel when the defense comes on the field.
 

Land Frog

Darn baylor!
Ypp and ppg are both good barometers and TCU is firmly in the middle one third of the conf in both measures. That is to say, I doubt JG has his house on the market, and he should have no legitimate reason to.

As much as I hate the soft coverage in the secondary and hardly any pressure on opposing QB's the on-field results don't justify a change.
I don't settle for middle of the pack. We can do better. Much better.
 
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