Fire Gary
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Mean Purple
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We would at least like to be in the running to play for the title every other year at least. We have not been in the running in the last 4 years.
Mean Purple
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What is his conference record in the Big 12? Over all since we got here. As loss is a loss.
Mean Purple
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This. Always frustrating that in game adjustments don't seem to exist with this program. Patterson over complicates it and rarely realizes he needs to shore it up.
Fiscuits
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Overall Big 12 Record
2012 4-5
2013 2-7
2014 8-1
2015 7-2
2016 4-5
2017 7-2
2018 4-5
2019 3-6
2020 5-4
2021
9 seasons
5 losing
4 Winning
1 Championship
BrewingFrog
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I give you good, thoughtful, respectful arguments, and get called a "front running wanker" for my troubles? Screw you, Dutch. You're wrong, and you know you're wrong. The only reason you lash out like an angry toddler is that you know you don't have a damned argument but you cling to what you know in fear of the great unknown. That's where I was last year...
Fiscuits
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At TCU....a reasonable expectation would be every 2-3 years, be in the mix for the title. Every year is not realistic for almost anyone. We haven't "truly" been in the mix since 2015. Gary's past success is the only reason to explain what had gotten him this far...but that credit in his account has reached a zero balance.
CountryFrog
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That pretty much sums it up. No one has forgotten any of the success that TCU has had since 2000 nor the many failures in the decades prior. The last 10 years is not a small sample size and nothing is being based on one bad game or a couple bad seasons. We've had 3 really good seasons and 6 bad to mediocre seasons. 2021 certainly appears headed toward the bad/mediocre column. That's 3 good years out of 10. I guess all of us get to decide for ourselves if 30% is a good rate for winning football.
And for the record I do NOT want Patterson gone. My preferred path would be to keep him as HC but tell him he needs to completely turn over his defense to a new DC who gets to hire his own staff and have complete control of that side of the ball. That doesn't seem like a realistic possibility, though.
BrewingFrog
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Well, we did sort of back into the Championship Game in '17, and promptly got our asses handed to us.
Fiscuits
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Dutch - No reasonable person expects us to win the conference every year. I don't. For TCU - every 2-3 years to be "in the mix" is realistic. However, we should NEVER have a losing conference record in the Big 12. Ever. Two of the last three seasons are under .500. 2019 we scraped by to get 3 wins. In 2017 - yes we were in the conference title game...however...if you recall that season....every team in the Big 12 not named OU was freaking terrible. Baylor coming off of Briles, Texas in the Strong mess, Iowa State wasn't Iowa State then and we still LOST to them in Aimes!... Kansas and Kansas State, well....were Kansas and Kansas State.
Overall Big 12 Record
2012 4-5
2013 2-7
2014 8-1
2015 7-2
2016 4-5
2017 7-2
2018 4-5
2019 3-6
2020 5-4
2021
9 seasons
5 losing
4 Winning
1 Championship
Fiscuits
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True - in the most down year in the history of the Big 12. See my reply to Dutch.
Fiscuits
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Great point...why do you think we always play better the last half of the season but always struggle the first 5-6 games? Could it be his defense is so freaking complicated that it takes that long to try and figure it out?
Wouldn't it make sense to simplify it some and let the playmakers, just be playmakers? Even in 2014 and 2015 (with arguably the two greatest teams in TCU history) it took a while to get rolling. We sure have lost a lot of game with this "defensive guru" while at the same time scoring on offense over 30 ppg.......
Pharm Frog
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Got to hand it to y'all who are trying to convince Dutch. Ain't gonna happen. Whether TCU is .500, .300, .100 Dutch is gonna back his boy because he's done it before and so can do it again.
Pharm Frog
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It could also be who we play in the back half of the season. I looked it up last year and it wasn't as clear cut an issue that the Frogs progressed.
Mean Purple
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Seems like 5 to 6 million a year should result in more winning seasons.
Mean Purple
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It would be good if we could go 5 weeks at the start of the season without an off week.
Fiscuits
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Have no issue with that...everyone has their opinions. In the end we're all wanting TCU to do better.
Mean Purple
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Pharm pointed out that sometimes it has been who we were playing on the back end of the season, as opposed to earlier, but I think it goes beyond that. It takes his defense a while to get going, especially when there are some younger players. GP even said that in the post game on Saturday that the past three years it has taken them a while to catch on. Maybe he should be running a less complicated scheme on the front end?
Seems like most teams "make the biggest improvement from week 1 to week 2" , then TCU goes the other way.
tcufootballjh98
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I know its early but some guys on defense looked like they've regressed. Hopefully they can prove me wrong, but the lack of player development ultimately falls on the coaching staff.
Dutch
T C U Froooogs
44-37, 3 great seasons, 2 bad seasons, 4 competitive seasons.
