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Del Conte spoke to downtown FW Rotary yesterday

TexasCard

New Member
@TexasCard: We're working on the arena. When the stadium is done, the arena is next on the list. Joining the Big East sped that up.

@Westoverhillbilly: Thanks for the recap! Outstanding!

I'm a little concerned with this "have and have not" league idea gaining momentum...and CDC supporting it. I love that we are now a "have", but it wasn't long ago when we would have been considered a "have not". So if this idea happened 10 years ago, we'd be "stuck" in the inferior league and would not have had the opportunity we had to rise up the ranks.

UNLV sucks now, but should we forever keep them from having a shot of getting out of the dumps and becoming a BCS program? SMU is gaining momentum, should the NCAA kill that momentum by sending them to a lower league? Sure, they might be able to compete amongst their peers, but what if they get to the point where they are clearly dominant in that league? Will they have the chance to move up?

It's almost as if they need a relegation system like in European soccer. If you suck for 4 years, you get bumped down a league. If you kick [Craig James] in the lower league for 4 years, you get bumped up. It'll never happen that way, but I'm just worried that the have-nots will never have the opportunity we had.


Merch Frog that is good to hear about the arena. Again I am a football guy so I am happy about the stadium upgrade, but that basketball arena will have to be improved. Glad it is on the board.
 

ricksterh

Full Member
Merch Frog that is good to hear about the arena. Again I am a football guy so I am happy about the stadium upgrade, but that basketball arena will have to be improved. Glad it is on the board.


If you have ever seen the DMC when TCU puts a good basketball team on the floor the place rocks! :biggrin: Been there done that! :cool:
 

Screaming Flea

New Member
Two sentences stood out like flaming balls of fire.

First is "inevitable." For the last five years it has been said, major change is coming to athletics and it's going to be hard to stop.

Second is "the haves-and -the have-nots." Athletic budgets are growing at a rate unprecedented in history. Demand on universities/colleges and host cities are enormous. Universities like Baylor for instance, are caught in the middle. That's the reason they are so active in keeping the Big 12 together. They realize, this is it, this is what we have been dreading. Without the Big 12, it will be a difficult challenge for this university* to be competitive in today's athletic world.

Make no mistake, TCU faces challenges but, our foundation is sound. Our facilities in academics and athletics are second to none. Excellent management abounds. Alumni, fans and corporations are supporting TCU.
Chris was quick to support and appreciate TCU's athletic financial manger and the Chancellor for getting us on sound ground and hopefully keeping us there.

(In a meeting this past week, it was said, 50% of the worlds population is under 30 years of age. That's rather humbling if you want to know the truth! )

PS: a big thanks to Kelsey.
 

TexasCard

New Member
If you have ever seen the DMC when TCU puts a good basketball team on the floor the place rocks! :biggrin: Been there done that! :cool:


I have no doubts about it rocking. It is small and compact so the noise could be very loud for sure. But still need some new digs...:wink:
 

Deep Purple

Full Member
He continually praised the financial controllers of both the athletic department (Gutierrez) and the university in addition to Boschini's leadership... He said that there is nobody in the college athletics business better than Gutierrez...

I think you misunderstood CDC, since Brian Gutierrez is neither in the athletics department nor in the college athletics business. He is the University's Vice Chancellor for Finance & Administration. The Business Manager for athletics is Tommy Love.
 

Salfrog

Tier 1

I think you misunderstood CDC, since Brian Gutierrez is neither in the athletics department nor in the college athletics business. He is the University's Vice Chancellor for Finance & Administration. The Business Manager for athletics is Tommy Love.

Tommy is the bomb! :biggrin: One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet!
 

tetonfrog

Active Member
I'm a little concerned with this "have and have not" league idea gaining momentum...and CDC supporting it. I love that we are now a "have", but it wasn't long ago when we would have been considered a "have not". So if this idea happened 10 years ago, we'd be "stuck" in the inferior league and would not have had the opportunity we had to rise up the ranks.

UNLV sucks now, but should we forever keep them from having a shot of getting out of the dumps and becoming a BCS program? SMU is gaining momentum, should the NCAA kill that momentum by sending them to a lower league? Sure, they might be able to compete amongst their peers, but what if they get to the point where they are clearly dominant in that league? Will they have the chance to move up?

My question is when does the gov't get involved. And I don't mean the Texas state gov't, but the federal gov't on a national stage.

I don't have much confidence they would have a solution, but the move to superconferences will kill the smaller schools. You think it's bad for us, what about University of North Texas? They are building a new stadium and they might move down to D-I 1/2. And SMU? What about Texas State, Lamar and UTSA? Do they still revive their programs now? How about Kansas and Boise State - they have won BCS games, but could get left out?

More important, how many schools will just drop their football programs - especially if they are not making money on it? How many scholarships are lost because of all this? The effect on this for poor high school athletes would be terrible. A lot of fans will call their senator or house guy and say stop this madness. I wish them good luck.
 

purplepreacher

New Member
@TexasCard: We're working on the arena. When the stadium is done, the arena is next on the list. Joining the Big East sped that up.

@Westoverhillbilly: Thanks for the recap! Outstanding!

I'm a little concerned with this "have and have not" league idea gaining momentum...and CDC supporting it. I love that we are now a "have", but it wasn't long ago when we would have been considered a "have not". So if this idea happened 10 years ago, we'd be "stuck" in the inferior league and would not have had the opportunity we had to rise up the ranks.

UNLV sucks now, but should we forever keep them from having a shot of getting out of the dumps and becoming a BCS program? SMU is gaining momentum, should the NCAA kill that momentum by sending them to a lower league? Sure, they might be able to compete amongst their peers, but what if they get to the point where they are clearly dominant in that league? Will they have the chance to move up?

It's almost as if they need a relegation system like in European soccer. If you suck for 4 years, you get bumped down a league. If you kick [Craig James] in the lower league for 4 years, you get bumped up. It'll never happen that way, but I'm just worried that the have-nots will never have the opportunity we had.
I agree here. Don't like this have v. have not deal. Five years or so ago we would have been classified as have nots. Never will forget that back in the 80s or 90s Tulane had a perfect season, but got nothing out of it. I can't forget Dickie Moegal at Rice destroying Ala. int he Cotton Bowl. I guess those day are gone, but some of us old timers remember them fondly. I guess that's the way capitalism works, tradition is destroyed by the constant search for more "efficiency," and we tend to lose our humanity in the process. End of sermon, Amen.
 

BABYFACE

Full Member
I agree here. Don't like this have v. have not deal. Five years or so ago we would have been classified as have nots. Never will forget that back in the 80s or 90s Tulane had a perfect season, but got nothing out of it. I can't forget Dickie Moegal at Rice destroying Ala. int he Cotton Bowl. I guess those day are gone, but some of us old timers remember them fondly. I guess that's the way capitalism works, tradition is destroyed by the constant search for more "efficiency," and we tend to lose our humanity in the process. End of sermon, Amen.

Agree and disagree. Agree with that everyone should get a fair shot. As for politics, socialism predetermines fates. At least with capitism, a nobody has the chance to rise to someone big. Capitalism rewards the hardworking an innovative and punishes the lazy. Socialism allows laziness.
 

Gunner

Active Member
Being "In the club" helps, but we are the newest members of the club. If all this goes down, we better hope the BE is proactive, or we have a chance of being left out again.

Westoverhillbilly, thanks alot, very entertaining.

I must say, it was something close to a miracle, when we were invited into the MWC. And, an even bigger surprise, we were invited to the Big East. That invitation might be the biggest event ever in the history of TCU sports.

I wonder how the Big 10 looks at the Big East. Delaney recently made a pitch that the Big 10 and SEC might leave the NCAA and form their own alliance. He mentioned every auto BCS conference except the Big East. Delaney is probably the most evil person ever in sports. Now he is talking a "plus one", just to keep the Big 10's name in the limelight while the SEC is making news. Noticed he never mentioned TCU got screwed out of a chance to compete for the national championship. Naa, he wouldn't do that.

Slive is just as obnoxious and evil. It is hard to like people like that.

BTW, I'm not proud of being in a "club", especially the "non compete BCS club"...
 

Spike

Full Member
My question about the have and have not seperation, who do the haves play in OOC? I hate the current system where a team can schedule 3-4 bodybag games a year and claim to be a top 5, top 10 team because of conference affiliation. We have no idea how good anyone really is. I don't think the haves neccesarily want to play each other any more than they have to.
 

westoverhillbilly

Active Member
Oh, my 50+ year old memory keeps remembering things CDC said... He re-iterated the old Eastern issue of how the Cowboys have benefitted by playing in the NFC East and the analogy of how we will benefit by the exposure of the huge media markets that serve the BE...

He also said the state of Texas is not only huge in football prospects but it has become so with basketball talent as well and we now have the opportunity (with BE membership) to do something like Baylor did recently- to come out of nowhere fast with a team that can go deep...

On another note, I just heard that Del Conte is taking his show up to see the movers and shakers of NE Tarrant Cty (a couple hundred business people in Southlake/Grapevine) later this week... This affluent area is very important to TCU's athletic and academic future..

I liked CDC's two most recent predecessors fine but this guy is more than a competent administrator- he's a great spokesman for us like we haven't seen since perhaps Amon Carter...
 
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