Dana Holgorsen to TCU?

[4 Oaks Frog]

That offensive genius put up 266 yards and 13 points against our vaunted defense last year. His insight is definitely needed!

Not many coaches have gotten by on purely their persona as much as he has. I think those that do the hiring finally caught on to the fact that, hey, this guy might be cool and all, but he's not much of a coach.

I read this post without seeing who was writing it. I thought this just snarky enough to be Wexahu. I checked and it is you. Welcome back to the fray, dude! Good post!
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[HornyWartyToad]

#Leachtree/Mummetree. Anybody who wants TCU to have a chance to be able to compete with the biggest boys should be a fan of a Holgo hire. The Leach/Mumme school is how you do that with less-gifted athletes, and let's face it, we will never compete on equal footing for stockpiling NFL players with the biggest programs. Agree with bad HC, Great OC.
When Holgorsen was hired at Oklahoma State, the Cowboys' offense was ranked No. 61 nationally in total offense. In his first season the offense led the nation in total offense, averaging 537.6 yards per game, was No. 2 in passing offense, averaging 354.7 yards per game, and No. 3 in scoring offense, averaging 44.9 points per game.
As offensive coordinator at Houston, Holgorsen's offenses accounted for 563 yards of total offense per game, including 433.7 yards passing, and 42.2 points per game. His offense ranked No. 3 in total offense in 2008 with a duo of freshmen quarterbacks and No. 1 in 2009. Under Holgorsen's tutelage, Case Keenum would go on to become college football's all-time leading passer in yards gained and touchdowns. Case bleeping Keenum
Holgorsen was a member of the coaching staff at Texas Tech from 2000 to 2007, serving as the inside receivers coach from 2000 to 2004, before being elevated to co-offensive coordinator alongside Sonny Dykes from 2005 to 2006 and offensive coordinator in 2007. The move reunited him with head coach Mike Leach, whom Holgorsen had previously coached with at Valdosta State under Hal Mumme. While there, his offenses increased the amount of yardage from 324.8 yards of total offense to 529.6, an increase of more than 200 yards per game. In his two years as offensive coordinator, his squad was nationally ranked No. 8 in 2006 and No. 3 in 2007. In 2007, Texas Tech led the nation in passing (470.31), was No. 2 in total offense (529.62) and was No. 7 in scoring offense (40.9).

 

[Wexahu]

#Leachtree/Mummetree. Anybody who wants TCU to have a chance to be able to compete with the biggest boys should be a fan of a Holgo hire. The Leach/Mumme school is how you do that with less-gifted athletes, and let's face it, we will never compete on equal footing for stockpiling NFL players with the biggest programs. Agree with bad HC, Great OC.
When Holgorsen was hired at Oklahoma State, the Cowboys' offense was ranked No. 61 nationally in total offense. In his first season the offense led the nation in total offense, averaging 537.6 yards per game, was No. 2 in passing offense, averaging 354.7 yards per game, and No. 3 in scoring offense, averaging 44.9 points per game.
As offensive coordinator at Houston, Holgorsen's offenses accounted for 563 yards of total offense per game, including 433.7 yards passing, and 42.2 points per game. His offense ranked No. 3 in total offense in 2008 with a duo of freshmen quarterbacks and No. 1 in 2009. Under Holgorsen's tutelage, Case Keenum would go on to become college football's all-time leading passer in yards gained and touchdowns. Case bleeping Keenum
Holgorsen was a member of the coaching staff at Texas Tech from 2000 to 2007, serving as the inside receivers coach from 2000 to 2004, before being elevated to co-offensive coordinator alongside Sonny Dykes from 2005 to 2006 and offensive coordinator in 2007. The move reunited him with head coach Mike Leach, whom Holgorsen had previously coached with at Valdosta State under Hal Mumme. While there, his offenses increased the amount of yardage from 324.8 yards of total offense to 529.6, an increase of more than 200 yards per game. In his two years as offensive coordinator, his squad was nationally ranked No. 8 in 2006 and No. 3 in 2007. In 2007, Texas Tech led the nation in passing (470.31), was No. 2 in total offense (529.62) and was No. 7 in scoring offense (40.9).

All 15+ years ago. Don't you think the game has changed a bit since then?

GP had some awesome defenses back then too.

Honestly, I think the Leach/Mumme school being the way to go is a bit of a thing of the past. The game has evolved and throwing the ball 85% of the time is not effective anymore, defenses have caught on and figured out how to neutralize it for the most part.

 

[Limey Frog]

That offensive genius put up 266 yards and 13 points against our vaunted defense last year. His insight is definitely needed!

Not many coaches have gotten by on purely their persona as much as he has. I think those that do the hiring finally caught on to the fact that, hey, this guy might be cool and all, but he's not much of a coach.

UCLA never came good under Chip Kelly, but everyone is pretty excited about him at Ohio State.

 

[Wexahu]

UCLA never came good under Chip Kelly, but everyone is pretty excited about him at Ohio State.

Maybe so, but I'm not sure why. Although he does have a few more skins on the wall than DH does.

Personally, I think if DH was the exact same coach that he is but had normal hair, his name was something like Steve White, and had never low-fived our QB in a game, his potential hire would be seen as a snoozer.

 

[Cougar/Frog]

UCLA never came good under Chip Kelly, but everyone is pretty excited about him at Ohio State.

Great example. It will be an interesting experiment. Ohio St has one of the top 5 rosters in the country, so even a complete moron can get 10 wins and lots of points without trying hard, so we will only know if Chip still can do it if Ohio St wins the natty.

 

[TxFrog1999]

All 15+ years ago. Don't you think the game has changed a bit since then?

GP had some awesome defenses back then too.

Honestly, I think the Leach/Mumme school being the way to go is a bit of a thing of the past. The game has evolved and throwing the ball 85% of the time is not effective anymore, defenses have caught on and figured out how to neutralize it for the most part.

Patterson's 4-2-5 defense required players that would stick around in the system and put in the time to handle its steep learning curve. Post-portal and NIL Patterson lacked the right staff and ability to mold players long enough before they started looking for greener pastures, and as a result his defenses suffered. I don't think offenses are as affected by the new landscape of college football as Patterson's scheme and coaching style. Are things different now? Yes. Does all of Holgorsen's experience and offensive "genius" get thrown out due to those changes? No.

 

[Wexahu]

Patterson's 4-2-5 defense required players that would stick around in the system and put in the time to handle its steep learning curve. Post-portal and NIL Patterson lacked the right staff and ability to mold players long enough before they started looking for greener pastures, and as a result his defenses suffered. I don't think offenses are as affected by the new landscape of college football as Patterson's scheme and coaching style. Are things different now? Yes. Does all of Holgorsen's experience and offensive "genius" get thrown out due to those changes? No.

Ok, but Patterson's defenses started becoming very pedestrian years before the portal and NIL era, I don't think it can just be attributed to that. I think it had more to do with offenses recognizing where the vulnerabilities were and attacking them, and GP not having much of an answer other than to double down on what he had always done.

I can be convinced but having watched Holgerson teams (and offenses) over the past decade and looking at statistics to try and verify what I watched, I just don't see much other than VERY average. I certainly don't think he is some brilliant offensive mind, I think he came around at a time when the Leach offense was still throwing DC's for a loop and Holgerson's timing to benefit from that was about perfect.

 

[TxFrog1999]

Ok, but Patterson's defenses started becoming very pedestrian years before the portal and NIL era, I don't think it can just be attributed to that. I think it had more to do with offenses recognizing where the vulnerabilities were and attacking them, and GP not having much of an answer other than to double down on what he had always done.

I can be convinced but having watched Holgerson teams (and offenses) over the past decade and looking at statistics to try and verify what I watched, I just don't see much other than VERY average. I certainly don't think he is some brilliant offensive mind, I think he came around at a time when the Leach offense was still throwing DC's for a loop and Holgerson's timing to benefit from that was about perfect.

I would argue that losing Dick Bumpas and Patterson deciding to take on all of the defensive duties was the turning point, not that the offenses suddenly understood how to attack the 4-2-5.

 

[ShadowFrog]

Holgo can just hang out in the upstairs booth eating fried food and smoking, then when TCU gets in the red-zone he can radio down to Johnny Tape-fingers and say, "let's score a touchdown here". Then JTF can select a play that works, and boom! Holgo is worth his weight in gold.

I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it.

Get KFC on speed-dial

 

[Limey Frog]

Maybe so, but I'm not sure why. Although he does have a few more skins on the wall than DH does.

Personally, I think if DH was the exact same coach that he is but had normal hair, his name was something like Steve White, and had never low-fived our QB in a game, his potential hire would be seen as a snoozer.

I'll concede hat analyst hires are seldom if ever obviously impactful. I can't think of one anywhere off the top of my head that jumps out as an obvious "impact hire" on the program. I think they're more of a "can't hurt" type of thing than an exciting addition. And, of course, if they clash with your coordinators they can hurt. I doubt Sonny would be hiring Holgo if Johnny Finger-tape objected to it. I'll be surprised if his impact is conspicuously positive, but I expect it'll add something of value.

 

[froginmn]

All 15+ years ago. Don't you think the game has changed a bit since then?

GP had some awesome defenses back then too.

Honestly, I think the Leach/Mumme school being the way to go is a bit of a thing of the past. The game has evolved and throwing the ball 85% of the time is not effective anymore, defenses have caught on and figured out how to neutralize it for the most part.

You're entitled to throw a wet blanket, but it's also entirely possible that the opportunity to focus on just the offense and collaborate with KB will result in something good, or very good.

I'm not ready to say it's potentially a great hire but I'm also not going to call him bad at a job (OC) that he hasn't done in 15 years but was very good at when he did.

 

[82 Frog Fever]

All 15+ years ago. Don't you think the game has changed a bit since then?

GP had some awesome defenses back then too.

Honestly, I think the Leach/Mumme school being the way to go is a bit of a thing of the past. The game has evolved and throwing the ball 85% of the time is not effective anymore, defenses have caught on and figured out how to neutralize it for the most part.

Sometimes people don’t realize when they’ve arrived at their best destiny. Holgo’s was OC, not HC.
As an OC at both TT & UH from 2005-2009 Holgo’s offenses were ranked #4, #8, #3, #3, & #1. Two of the TT years he was co-OC with Dykes.
Holgo has a great offensive mind. Today’s RPO offenses are just different wrinkles run from offensive sets that Holgo helped to create. I’m pretty sure both he and Briles are up to date.
It’s maybe a $200k gamble that he can contribute, and it’s not a bad a play.

 

[gohornedfrogs]

Based on what?

I mean, his teams have had a few decent offenses over the past 10-15 years, but there's no pattern that would suggest he's any kind of genius whatsoever. A lot of average and even downright bad years mixed in with those few decent years.

It's just weird how some guys get labelled and the label sticks almost no matter what the evidence.

Is there ever a parade you won’t piss on?

 

[froginmn]

Sometimes people don’t realize when they’ve arrived at their best destiny. Holgo’s was OC, not HC.
As an OC at both TT & UH from 2005-2009 Holgo’s offenses were ranked #4, #8, #3, #3, & #1. Two of the TT years he was co-OC with Dykes.
Holgo has a great offensive mind.

Wow - didn't realize the stats were that good. In his year at OSU their offense went from 61st in the nation to 1st.

So the last time he was an OC he had six straight years of top 10 offenses, at three different schools. He then became a head coach and the game "passed him by", even though he had a different focus ever since.

 

[HornyWartyToad]

Is there ever a parade you won’t piss on?

I for one was relieved. . . I found I was holding an unnecessarily positive attitude about the prospects.

 

[The TCU Football Jerk]

Ok, but Patterson's defenses started becoming very pedestrian years before the portal and NIL era, I don't think it can just be attributed to that. I think it had more to do with offenses recognizing where the vulnerabilities were and attacking them, and GP not having much of an answer other than to double down on what he had always done.

I can be convinced but having watched Holgerson teams (and offenses) over the past decade and looking at statistics to try and verify what I watched, I just don't see much other than VERY average. I certainly don't think he is some brilliant offensive mind, I think he came around at a time when the Leach offense was still throwing DC's for a loop and Holgerson's timing to benefit from that was about perfect.

Patterson got very stuck in his ways, which made him predictable. I remember him not blitzing at all in the first half of many games. Then, when being down in the second half, he'd start blitzing and mixing things up and we'd start stopping teams. Problem was we were usually too far behind at that point for our offense to catch up.

 

[The TCU Football Jerk]

Sometimes people don’t realize when they’ve arrived at their best destiny.

The Peter Principal

 

[FrogAbroad]

Is there an ETA for DH?

 

[Frog-in-law1995]

Is there an ETA for DH?

Before last call, usually. ZING!

I’m looking forward to seeing what craziness ensues. Literally have 4 guys on staff who have been the sole or primary OC of a top 3 offense.