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Big 10 Presidents to discuss expansion Sunday!

Nick Danger

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Big 10 Meeting

April 17, 2010
3:24 PM | 11 Comments

By Teddy Greenstein

Remember the talk that the Big Ten would take 12-18 months to decide whether to expand?

An accelerated timetable has emerged, according to sources familiar with the process.

High-ranking Big Ten representatives will meet Sunday afternoon in Washington D.C. to discuss expansion. The timing and location of the session make sense considering the Association of American Universities is holding its semi-annual meetings in D.C. from Sunday-Tuesday, and all 11 Big Ten schools are AAU members.

Among those attending will be Northwestern President Morton Schapiro, according to a university spokesman, and University of Illinois interim chancellor Robert Easter.

If the league can emerge from the D.C. meetings with a mandate to expand, commissioner Jim Delany could take a substantial step next week at the annual BCS meetings, outside Phoenix.

As laid out in the Big Ten's Dec. 15 statement, Delany would "notify" the commissioner(s) of the affected conference(s) before "engaging in formal expansion discussions with other institutions."

In other words, Big East commissioner John Marinatto would get a heads-up if the Big Ten wishes to contact schools such as Rutgers, Pittsburgh and Syracuse.

That would allow the Big Ten more than a month to negotiate with schools before conference presidents and chancellors meet in Chicago during the first weekend in June.

That timetable also makes sense from a financial standpoint. The fiscal years of universities end on the last day of June, "so if you go past July 1, then you have to wait an extra year," said one source.

Delany could not be reached for comment Saturday and has declined interview requests, saying he's in a "silent phase."

The thinking among those in touch with Big Ten officials is that the league is likely to add at least three schools -- to end up with a 14- or 16-team league.

"I don't think 16 is scaring anyone off, as long as you can find that many (five) that are a good enough fit," said one source who has been consulted during the conference's exploratory phase. "They're looking long-term, across the horizon. What gives them the best shot at keeping value at a high level?"

Notre Dame remains Option A, though observers are flummoxed about the school's intentions because of seemingly divergent statements made by Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick.

By joining the Big Ten, the Irish could increase their annual TV revenue from roughly $12 million to $22 million per year, get a national TV platform (the Big Ten Network) for its top-notch Olympic sports and decrease travel costs for its teams.
 

halfwaytoheaven

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QUOTE(Nick Danger @ Apr 17 2010, 09:37 PM) [snapback]546183[/snapback]
Notre Dame remains Option A, though observers are flummoxed about the school's intentions because of seemingly divergent statements made by Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick.

By joining the Big Ten, the Irish could increase their annual TV revenue from roughly $12 million to $22 million per year, get a national TV platform (the Big Ten Network) for its top-notch Olympic sports and decrease travel costs for its teams.


Notre Dame is sending out mixed signals because they are really conflicted on this one. The administration, which is actually looking at the numbers, very much want in, and the alumni, in general, most definitely do not. And last I read, ND was getting $15 million a year from NBC: ND rethinking independence

Also, I wish people would stop mentioning travel costs as a factor. With the amount of money they're talking about, the cost to fly a couple hundred extra miles isn't going to amount to much more than a rounding error. And with Notre Dame, who has a thing about playing a "national schedule," having most of their opponents closer to home could be a negative.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if anything happens this time.
 

Big Frog II

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QUOTE(halfwaytoheaven @ Apr 17 2010, 08:52 PM) [snapback]546187[/snapback]
Notre Dame is sending out mixed signals because they are really conflicted on this one. The administration, which is actually looking at the numbers, very much want in, and the alumni, in general, most definitely do not. And last I read, ND was getting $15 million a year from NBC: ND rethinking independence

Also, I wish people would stop mentioning travel costs as a factor. With the amount of money they're talking about, the cost to fly a couple hundred extra miles isn't going to amount to much more than a rounding error. And with Notre Dame, who has a thing about playing a "national schedule," having most of their opponents closer to home could be a negative.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if anything happens this time.

Notre Dame will find themselves on the outside looking in if they turn this deal down. Once their patron saint, Dick Ebersole, retires from NBC, they will not get as good of a deal as they are now. Their alums better get pull their heads out, or they will end up irrelevant in the future as far as sports go.
 

Opintel

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QUOTE(Big Frog II @ Apr 17 2010, 10:25 PM) [snapback]546193[/snapback]
Notre Dame will find themselves on the outside looking in if they turn this deal down. Once their patron saint, Dick Ebersole, retires from NBC, they will not get as good of a deal as they are now. Their alums better get pull their heads out, or they will end up irrelevant in the future as far as sports go.

We should be looking at an interesting next few weeks.

Now come the gazillion threads on possibilities...yikes. :blink:
 

Gunner

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Just hope they don't invite us. They need the credibility, but just hope they keep their arrogance, and ignore little ol' TCU....scared we might accept for all that money.

Their problem is all those teams the press keeps talking about, can't play football.Can you imagine how their image will be, if they invite Syracuse and Rutgers or Connecticut.

No easy solutions for the Little 10. Kinda' like the problem the Pac 10 has. Pac tho, could go after Utah and improve their competitive image...

Wonder what the Big 12 would think about the Big 10 muscle ing into Big 12 territory and recruiting down here (like Utah and BYU did when TCU went to MWC). :biggrin:
 

halfwaytoheaven

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QUOTE(FrogsFanatic @ Apr 17 2010, 11:00 PM) [snapback]546200[/snapback]
this would propel the Pac 10 into expansion to take Utah and Colorado, bam TCU in Big 12


The Big 12 won't have any reason to take TCU to replace Colorado - the last thing that conference needs is another Texas school. BYU would make a better replacement in that situation. The only way TCU is getting into that conference is if UT (and maybe A&M, too) take off. If the Big Ten passes on Texas but grabs another B12 school (like Nebraska or Mizzou), then UT might be tempted to split for the Pac-10.
 

FrogsFanatic

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QUOTE(halfwaytoheaven @ Apr 17 2010, 11:06 PM) [snapback]546201[/snapback]
The Big 12 won't have any reason to take TCU to replace Colorado - the last thing that conference needs is another Texas school. BYU would make a better replacement in that situation. The only way TCU is getting into that conference is if UT (and maybe A&M, too) take off. If the Big Ten passes on Texas but grabs another B12 school (like Nebraska or Mizzou), then UT might be tempted to split for the Pac-10.

Big 12 HQ are in Dallas, TCU would be the most likely replacement
 

joejordan

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QUOTE(FrogsFanatic @ Apr 18 2010, 12:44 AM) [snapback]546205[/snapback]
Big 12 HQ are in Dallas, TCU would be the most likely replacement

??? Are you from Utah?
 

AEAfrog

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QUOTE(FrogsFanatic @ Apr 17 2010, 10:44 PM) [snapback]546205[/snapback]
Big 12 HQ are in Dallas, TCU would be the most likely replacement


1. Irving.
2. That's totally irrelevant.
 

FrogsFanatic

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my uncle is Tim Weiser (Deputy Commissioner) and heres the list he said for likely additons/replacements

1. TCU
2. BYU
3. Colorado State
4. Houston
 

FrogsFanatic

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my uncle is Tim Weiser (Deputy Commissioner) and heres the list he said for likely additons/replacements

1. TCU
2. BYU
3. Colorado State
4. Houston
 

halfwaytoheaven

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QUOTE(FrogsFanatic @ Apr 17 2010, 11:44 PM) [snapback]546205[/snapback]
Big 12 HQ are in Dallas, TCU would be the most likely replacement


The location of the Big 12's headquarters will have little or nothing to do with what school or schools might get invited into the conference. The four current Texas schools in the Big 12 (really just the top two) bring in enough of the college football fans in the state that adding another Texas school simply doesn't increase the conference's fan base enough to make sense - you'd be splitting the pie with someone who isn't making the pie any bigger. BYU, on the other hand, would bring a new market to the conference (Utah + Mormon fans across the country). Whether that market would be big enough to justify an invite is debatable, but at least they would be viewers who for the most part aren't currently tuned into the Big 12.

Now, if UT and A&M left the Big 12, the conference might (rightly) fear that their grip on the Texas market was in danger and add TCU to somewhat make up for it. That's really the only scenario where TCU-to-the-Big 12 makes any kind of sense. And even then, maybe not. Don't get your hopes up on TCU joining the Big 12 - even if it happens, it will most likely be a very different league by the time we get there.
 

FrogsFanatic

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QUOTE(halfwaytoheaven @ Apr 18 2010, 12:02 AM) [snapback]546217[/snapback]
The location of the Big 12's headquarters will have little or nothing to do with what school or schools might get invited into the conference. The four current Texas schools in the Big 12 (really just the top two) bring in enough of the college football fans in the state that adding another Texas school simply doesn't increase the conference's fan base enough to make sense - you'd be splitting the pie with someone who isn't making the pie any bigger. BYU, on the other hand, would bring a new market to the conference (Utah + Mormon fans across the country). Whether that market would be big enough to justify an invite is debatable, but at least they would be viewers who for the most part aren't currently tuned into the Big 12.

Now, if UT and A&M left the Big 12, the conference might (rightly) fear that their grip on the Texas market was in danger and add TCU to somewhat make up for it. That's really the only scenario where TCU-to-the-Big 12 makes any kind of sense. And even then, maybe not. Don't get your hopes up on TCU joining the Big 12 - even if it happens, it will most likely be a very different league by the time we get there.

I want TCU to join the Big 12 and BYU is actually better for the Big 12...but look at my previous post
 

halfwaytoheaven

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QUOTE(FrogsFanatic @ Apr 18 2010, 12:01 AM) [snapback]546216[/snapback]
my uncle is Tim Weiser (Deputy Commissioner) and heres the list he said for likely additons/replacements

1. TCU
2. BYU
3. Colorado State
4. Houston


Were you at Chipotle when he told you that?
 

AEAfrog

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QUOTE(PhormerPhrog @ Apr 17 2010, 11:08 PM) [snapback]546220[/snapback]
It's in Las Colinas off 114 and Rochelle. Us LC residents like to say that Las Colinas is Mexican for "we're not Irving."


Yet the mailing addresses stay the same... :tongue:
 

MrTitleist

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So answer me this: Does TCU want to leave the MWC?

The expansion talk is really interesting, it's on pretty much every message board I look at, everyone debating the same things. But it appears the dominoes are going to fall when the Big 12 decides what it wants to do.. the FBS and FCS landscapes are going to dramatically change.. 2012 is going to be a pretty interesting year of football. Texas State, UTSA are really chomping at the bit to move up to FBS football. UTSA has already signed home and home deals w/ Arizona and Arizona State.
 
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