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2024-2025 European Football Thread

HF-EOC

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I’m still confused by this….. hiring Emma Hayes is a very strong move. Seems out of character for US Soccer.
I agree, but I think they are strapped from being able to make that sort of splash on the men's side, both by money and prestige.

Highest paid women's soccer coach in the world, at one of (or THE) best program in the world, just by matching GGG salary ($1.6 mil).

Gregg makes roughly 1/10th of the salary of the managers of the big 6 in the EPL - Pep the highest at $19mil. For reference, Jesse Marsch made $3.5 mil to manage Leeds. So, we are paying our USMNT manager half of what Leeds paid JM.

Not to spiral us into the fair pay argument, but I believe a lot of this goes back to equal compensation for the women and men. From what I understand, they cannot offer the USMNT manager more than the women's team manager. For them to make some crazy splash on the men's side they would have to offer both the Men's & Women's managers over 10 times what they currently make. Even to match Leeds you would have to double the pay of both - which I am all for if that is what they have to do to get a good manager.
 

EVOfrogMR

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I understand the points above. My comment was more on the competence of the decision than the wider factors. Definitely the WNT is more attractive from a competitive standpoint at present, but it is absurd that they’ve hamstrung themselves on the men’s side because of it.

Coach Hayes will definitely have her hands full as the rest of the world catches up with the women’s game. I think it’s far more likely she’ll succeed in this than GB will at a home World Cup in 2026.
 

Purp

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I agree, but I think they are strapped from being able to make that sort of splash on the men's side, both by money and prestige.

Highest paid women's soccer coach in the world, at one of (or THE) best program in the world, just by matching GGG salary ($1.6 mil).

Gregg makes roughly 1/10th of the salary of the managers of the big 6 in the EPL - Pep the highest at $19mil. For reference, Jesse Marsch made $3.5 mil to manage Leeds. So, we are paying our USMNT manager half of what Leeds paid JM.

Not to spiral us into the fair pay argument, but I believe a lot of this goes back to equal compensation for the women and men. From what I understand, they cannot offer the USMNT manager more than the women's team manager. For them to make some crazy splash on the men's side they would have to offer both the Men's & Women's managers over 10 times what they currently make. Even to match Leeds you would have to double the pay of both - which I am all for if that is what they have to do to get a good manager.
If this is true and we can't pay a men's manager more than a women's team manager then we need to quit fielding an international men's team.
 

Purp

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I understand the points above. My comment was more on the competence of the decision than the wider factors. Definitely the WNT is more attractive from a competitive standpoint at present, but it is absurd that they’ve hamstrung themselves on the men’s side because of it.

Coach Hayes will definitely have her hands full as the rest of the world catches up with the women’s game. I think it’s far more likely she’ll succeed in this than GB will at a home World Cup in 2026.
Woke is inherently absurd. It takes the demonstrably provable and argues the antithesis is true because patriarchy, white privilege, LGBTRSTLN-E equity, etc. It's completely natural that it would render our men's program from a "gentlemen's" sport completely neutered in global competition for top managerial talent.
 

kaiser soze

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What are we hoping to see tonight from USMNT and GGG tonight against TNT? Out with injury are Weah, Puli, Adams, Cardoso. Formations or players you are keepign an eye on?

I really want to see GGG work towards a productive formation that gets Weah, Adams and Pulisic (when healthy) on the pitch with Reyna, Musah and McKennie. Either Balogun or Pepi up front, leaving 3 in the back (from Dest, Robinson, Richards, Ream). Assuming all six can get over injury bugs and return to (at least) prior form, I don't see how you can not have them on the field unless some young buck pushes one to the bench. Doing it to have four defenders does not compute for me.
 

HF-EOC

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What are we hoping to see tonight from USMNT and GGG tonight against TNT? Out with injury are Weah, Puli, Adams, Cardoso. Formations or players you are keepign an eye on?

I really want to see GGG work towards a productive formation that gets Weah, Adams and Pulisic (when healthy) on the pitch with Reyna, Musah and McKennie. Either Balogun or Pepi up front, leaving 3 in the back (from Dest, Robinson, Richards, Ream). Assuming all six can get over injury bugs and return to (at least) prior form, I don't see how you can not have them on the field unless some young buck pushes one to the bench. Doing it to have four defenders does not compute for me.
Agree with your points on formation. Want to see the 3 at the back at some point.

I want to see what Paredes has as winger. I am hoping he gets some useful minutes. I am assuming GGG plays it safe and throws Brenden out there, but Parades is in considerably better form.

Can Lund continue to be the first man to the celebration on every goal? That is really what is important.
 

Purp

Active Member
What are we hoping to see tonight from USMNT and GGG tonight against TNT? Out with injury are Weah, Puli, Adams, Cardoso. Formations or players you are keepign an eye on?

I really want to see GGG work towards a productive formation that gets Weah, Adams and Pulisic (when healthy) on the pitch with Reyna, Musah and McKennie. Either Balogun or Pepi up front, leaving 3 in the back (from Dest, Robinson, Richards, Ream). Assuming all six can get over injury bugs and return to (at least) prior form, I don't see how you can not have them on the field unless some young buck pushes one to the bench. Doing it to have four defenders does not compute for me.
I don't think Ream can work in a 3 back formation. Your center back has to be fast and athletic as well as cerebral and prudent. Ream is only half of those things.

I, too, have been calling for a 3 back formation for quite some time now, but it only works, IMO, with a healthy Tyler Adams. Without him to thwart attacks up the middle I'd worry our current center backs don't have the perfect combination of those 4 attributes I mentioned. Miles Robinson may be closest, but his form has slumped recently in Atlanta. Richards seems to be the guy, but we need him playing more high leverage minutes with his club before we can trust him on the prudence front. Tonight I expect you'll see the return of the Jedi on the left and Dest on the right with Richards and Ream, but I'd replace Ream with CCV.

I said a couple days ago that I expect Berhalter to stick with his comfortable formation and insert new guys at one of the wings. Gio will probably play right and I won't be shocked if Aaronson, Brendan plays the left, but I think Paredes is a guy who needs the first look there. I'd personally prefer to see Gio in a more tradition #10 role, but the circumstances kinda dictate him on the wing this week, IMO. Plus, if he's at #10 we won't get to evaluate Tillman the way I'd like. I'd have Musah play more of a #6 this week and let Tillman run the center of the park with McKennie.

Balogun up top for me, but I'd expect to see Pepi get 15 - 20 minutes each game. Turner will start in goal, but I think this is the perfect time to insert Slonina. Turner has created an opportunity for Gaga and I want to see if he can seize it.

ETA: I do want to see Maloney at the #6. Musah has logged a ton of minutes for club and country over the last year so I hope Berhalter can get him a spell in both matches with Maloney to show us how closely he might match up with Adams.
 
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