NewFrogFan
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LOTS of names on here now, no where to be seen in 2001 when I first posted.
This is the third time you’ve made the joke. Congrats.
How many schools just dominate every year? 4 or 5 (Alabama. Clemson. Ohio State, Oklahoma) . When I went to TCU we were 6-36-2. The beautiful facilities, the upgraded conferences, the larger and more qualified student body, all of the construction etc would not be there without LHCGMFP. You front running critics make me want to vomit.It's way more than one loss. Our record in the Big 12 from inception is terrible. The SMU game was simply a perfect representation of all that is wrong. No other coach would still be employed with this conference record (see Texas, Tech Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Texas A&M...basically everyone except OU).
Gary has to win 8 Big 12 games this season to keep his job IMO. He can not keep claiming we are young, grow em up, blah blah blah every single year. ...all the same BS.
We should NEVER lose to SMU...let alone get beat like a drum two years in a row. Beating Texas while going 3-6 or 4-5 in conference no longer is a pass. It should have never been a pass in the first place.
Gary is done. He is not bigger than the overall program, even though the school has allowed him to be for far too long.
Since 2016: 23 Big 12 wins, 22 Big 12 Losses. If being a middle of the road, mediocre program is the goal...Gary Forever.
Overall Big 12 Record
2012 4-5
2013 2-7
2014 8-1
2015 7-2
2016 4-5
2017 7-2
2018 4-5
2019 3-6
2020 5-4
2021
9 seasons
5 losing
4 Winning
Well, funny. I was there in those sad times, too. And I don't see any problem at this point calling for GMFP's retirement. 20 years is a damned fine run, and he accomplished many great things during that time that none of us Long Suffering Frog Fans even thought possible. Yet, all good things must come to an end, and nemesis has caught up with hubris to turn the world of TCU sour.How many schools just dominate every year? 4 or 5 (Alabama. Clemson. Ohio State, Oklahoma) . When I went to TCU we were 6-36-2. The beautiful facilities, the upgraded conferences, the larger and more qualified student body, all of the construction etc would not be there without LHCGMFP. You front running critics make me want to vomit.
I am sticking with him.Well, funny. I was there in those sad times, too. And I don't see any problem at this point calling for GMFP's retirement. 20 years is a damned fine run, and he accomplished many great things during that time that none of us Long Suffering Frog Fans even thought possible. Yet, all good things must come to an end, and nemesis has caught up with hubris to turn the world of TCU sour.
We've been running on fumes for 3 years now. There is no evident depth on the roster past the starters, which means that our vaunted recruiting has been a series of costly 4* flops. The one bright light on the team spends his time sitting on the bench while the game is in doubt because we have an OC who is... Words literally fail me. He should not be here, and every minute he is here I believe we suffer as a team. The strength of TCU has been the defense, and that was prison raped by an SMU squad who, by their "recruiting ranking" shouldn't have been able to carry our team's garbage to the curb. But, there it is. GMFP has failed in the most important aspect of running a team: Motivation. We ain't got it. There's no team pride, no esprit de corps, no poise, no swagger. Nothing.
That was an embarrassment out there on Saturday. A truly shameful display of every inadequacy that has been bandied about on this site for the last five years. It has only gotten worse. In a way, we should be grateful to Sonny for tearing off all the bandages and showing the world the stinking gangrene underneath.
You are asking the wrong question, Dutch. From your comments, you were at TCU from a by gone era when TCU was truly mediocre and had an athletic budget equivalent to some Texas high schools. That was decades ago.How many schools just dominate every year? 4 or 5 (Alabama. Clemson. Ohio State, Oklahoma) . When I went to TCU we were 6-36-2. The beautiful facilities, the upgraded conferences, the larger and more qualified student body, all of the construction etc would not be there without LHCGMFP. You front running critics make me want to vomit.
That's fine. I was in those shoes last season, preaching that "the devil we know is better than the devil we don't." I no longer believe that. GMFP has made some ghastly personnel decisions, and has lost the respect and confidence of his players. One cannot come back from that without wholesale changes, and he is not willing to change what is plainly not working.I am sticking with him.
Exactly. If our standard was a 5-4 big 12 record and beat SMU every year, GP would fail that standard. That is not asking for domination.The TCU of today , is considered a top 20 job in the country. We have athletic resources better than most NFL teams.
No one is asking for domination every year. I do not read anyone saying that ever.
But looking at the stats and numbers....Gary should be offered the chance to retire at the end of this season and if he declines...fired.
It's a results oriented business and his result over the past 6 seasons are AWFUL.
Amen.That's fine. I was in those shoes last season, preaching that "the devil we know is better than the devil we don't." I no longer believe that. GMFP has made some ghastly personnel decisions, and has lost the respect and confidence of his players. One cannot come back from that without wholesale changes, and he is not willing to change what is plainly not working.
There’s just so many reasons they can’t and won’t fire Gary.
- He has a statue
- TCU as a whole (I would include the big cigars) feel indebted to GP despite the millions they’ve put in his bank account
- ADJD doesn’t have any idea how to handle a coaching search
- GP, for all his flaws, is incredibly respected in the coaching community. You don’t know how other coaches would view kicking GP to the curb
- No one knows if TCU is a destination job or a stepping stone job.
- How much money would they owe a fired GP? And how much money would they have to shell out for a legit candidate?
- ADJD is below GP in the hierarchy
So the focus needs to shift to GP’s staff. That is a legit path to fixing this mediocrity. You [ #2020 ]can his dead weight and don’t approve anymore brother in law hires. Go out and get actual coaches with ambition and creativity. You do that and GP is the one with the decision to make. He can either adapt to not having a crew of yes men or he can pitch a fit, take his guitar and go home.
The obvious risk there is an ugly and public divorce. But it forces Gary’s hand.
I don‘t think this is the correct time of year to be discussing this, three games in and before we have a tally on the conference season. TCU is 0-0 in conference play and everything is still in front of them. It is likely that the defense and team will improve, if they stay healthy enough. We know that frustrating inconsistency is part of college football, maybe more than any other sport.
Gary is a winning coach at a non-flagship university, the smallest school in a P5 conference that can’t fill its 46k stadium. He built this football program, TCU’s brand name, and grew the University. Really one of a kind results. Be very careful in analysis and thought before moving on from him. Longhorns and Aggies fired their winning coaches, Brown and Slocum, and struggled for years while having all the advantages of brand and scale.
The younger people here don't have perspective of longer history, having been spoiled by Gary and his winning—Gary now a victim of his own success.
I don‘t think this is the correct time of year to be discussing this, three games in and before we have a tally on the conference season. TCU is 0-0 in conference play and everything is still in front of them. It is likely that the defense and team will improve, if they stay healthy enough. We know that frustrating inconsistency is part of college football, maybe more than any other sport.
Coach P is a winning coach at a non-flagship university, the smallest school in a P5 conference that can’t fill its 46k stadium. He built this football program, TCU’s brand name, and grew the University. Really one of a kind results. Be very careful in analysis and thought before moving on from him. Longhorns and Aggies fired their winning coaches, Brown and Slocum, and struggled for years while having all the advantages of brand and scale.
The younger people here don't have perspective of longer history, having been spoiled by Coach P and his winning—Coach now a victim of his own success.
Naw, they have been crushing the transfer portal and recruiting well lately. Smu is loaded w/ talent. I think they would beat Arkansas this year.no matter how good SMU is, TCU should always be better just based off our talent.
Just like Texas should be better than TCU.
It’s coaching.
Hate to break this to you - but Gary is no longer a winning coach. And hasn't been for a while. Our record is the only stat that matters. We have lost more than won in the Big 12 and barely broke even 5 of 6 years.Gary is a winning coach at a non-flagship university, the smallest school in a P5 conference that can’t fill its 46k stadium. He built this football program, TCU’s brand name, and grew the University. Really one of a kind results. Be very careful in analysis and thought before moving on from him. Longhorns and Aggies fired their winning coaches, Brown and Slocum, and struggled for years while having all the advantages of scale.
Other coaches would view it with their resume immediately forward to TCU's AD in ten seconds. We'd have coaches tripping over themselves to get the job.There’s just so many reasons they can’t and won’t fire Gary.
- GP, for all his flaws, is incredibly respected in the coaching community. You don’t know how other coaches would view kicking GP to the curb
Texas thought that about Mack Brown. Last year he was in the Orange Bowl. Texas had 8 years of a lot worse off.That's fine. I was in those shoes last season, preaching that "the devil we know is better than the devil we don't." I no longer believe that. GMFP has made some ghastly personnel decisions, and has lost the respect and confidence of his players. One cannot come back from that without wholesale changes, and he is not willing to change what is plainly not working.
Exactly and what have we been doing.......if you go to SMU's facilities and then come to ours....you will be even more pissed off that we are in the position we are in. Hell, if you go to ANYONE's facilities and look around you'll feel that way.Naw, they have been crushing the transfer portal and recruiting well lately. Smu is loaded w/ talent. I think they would beat Arkansas this year.