gohornedfrogs
Tier 1
I'm betting that those who are clamoring for beer sales will be the first ones to complain about the price of beer and how great it used to be when you could go outside at halftime and grab a free one.
Have we not been winning the last 16 years?Nothing helps to get more people in seats and keep them there than having a really good team that wins a lot of games. So let's do the winning thing.
My comments have nothing to do with State vs private, rural vs city, large vs small. It has to do with people that value their parking lot drinking time more than their appreciation of the hard work TCU kids do to put a decent team on the field. Or for what these kid think when they come out of the tunnel after half and see empty seats. It's got to be a real motivator. GP's words seem to reflect it isn't appreciated.
This will NEVER change, so why do we fight it? We are over 50% female in alumni and students. Compared to other schools, we have a more white collar fan base. Our fans see football as much a social event as a sport.
If we ban re-entry, fans will not return, and our stadium will be more empty. Give it up.
I'm betting that those who are clamoring for beer sales will be the first ones to complain about the price of beer and how great it used to be when you could go outside at halftime and grab a free one.
This will NEVER change, so why do we fight it? We
I see reality is lost on you. I was describing why things are the way they are. You can accept it or [ poofster ] about it. But the latter doesn't motivate anyone to your way of thinking.
We need to reseat the stadium,
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Why doesn't our school try to do something to help increase the stadium presence instead of blaming the fans for it. That's pretty lame IMO.
Got it, your way or no way.
So the reality isn't that the people that desert their seats well into the second half don't care more about socializing or drinking than supporting TCU? Gotcha.
Bingo!!!They aren't going to reseat. There would be an outright revolt. So we can nix that fantasy. Plus it won't really help. The 2012 top end donors are still the top end donors - you'd just be shuffling the bottom half of PP rank.
I hear complaints about how it "looks" but the reality is the seats on tv are the ones that are usually full. Empty seats are typically right behind the bench and upper deck corner. The parts least show on tv. It looks fine. The issue isn't how it looks. It's that fans want the seats behind the home bench. Which is understandable. But let's top pretending the motive is anything other than selfish want for the shady, low level seats.
What seems odd to me is that we are now bringing in about $35M more per year (just in conference payout money) than we were in the MWC days yet it seems we are more desperate for money than we've ever been.
Where the heck is all the money going?
Aren't they also giving each athlete a stipend now, plus helping pay parent's trips to bowl games etc. You also have to figure in the added cost of keeping all of the new facilities in tip top shape. We don't nickel and dime everything any more. Coaching staffs are also now larger. The cost of being big time is high.I am also confused about this. How did we make ends meet in the MWC?
Patterson's salary has increase a couple million, to be generous probably a total of $5MM among total football staff. Add a few million for basketball, a million for baseball and it decreases significantly from there. At most we are talking $10-$15MM in additional salary costs. Just hard to understand where the extra money is going. Travel costs should be the same/less than in the MWC....
A lot. I never said we hadn't been winning. And in the seasons where we've done the most winning, the attendance stuff has been a much smaller discussion point. Particularly the Big 12 years.Have we not been winning the last 16 years?
Particularly the Big 12 years.
I think the whole point is that, for the most part, the crowds ARE there. They just aren't there for the entire game.Which has only been two of five seasons. A 40% successful season rate isn't going to bring in the crowds.
They aren't going to reseat. There would be an outright revolt. So we can nix that fantasy. Plus it won't really help. The 2012 top end donors are still the top end donors - you'd just be shuffling the bottom half of PP rank.
I hear complaints about how it "looks" but the reality is the seats on tv are the ones that are usually full. Empty seats are typically right behind the bench and upper deck corner. The parts least show on tv. It looks fine. The issue isn't how it looks. It's that fans want the seats behind the home bench. Which is understandable. But let's top pretending the motive is anything other than selfish want for the shady, low level seats.
Why not just count last year, a 0% success year. For GP the success rate is 13/16 = 81% success rate, but even that isn't enough for some. So I guess you want to fire Patterson?Which has only been two of five seasons. A 40% successful season rate isn't going to bring in the crowds.
I am also confused about this. How did we make ends meet in the MWC?
Patterson's salary has increase a couple million, to be generous probably a total of $5MM among total football staff. Add a few million for basketball, a million for baseball and it decreases significantly from there. At most we are talking $10-$15MM in additional salary costs. Just hard to understand where the extra money is going. Travel costs should be the same/less than in the MWC....
Technically last year would've been a 46% success rate. The crowds were great for the first few home games when we were still highly thought of and the chances still existed we'd have a great season. Helped in part, obviously, by playing Arkansas and Oklahoma in night games.Why not just count last year, a 0% success year. For GP the success rate is 13/16 = 81% success rate, but even that isn't enough for some. So I guess you want to fire Patterson?