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Now that the Mavs have been eliminated..

TCURiggs

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QUOTE(TheSheik @ Apr 26 2010, 02:20 PM) [snapback]550473[/snapback]
Same story different year with the Mavs. They dont play enough consistent defense to be a contender, and if anyone plays tough defense on them (like the Spurs are doing in this series) they revert to a jump shooting team. If JJ Barea is the only person on your team taking the ball to the basket its probably not a good sign, hell, if JJ Barea is getting a lot of minutes and playing in crunch time its probably not a good sign.


Very true statements.

I wonder if OKC has any room left on their bandwagon? Hell, I found myself cheering for the Jazz last night. F basketball.
 

South Texas Frog

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QUOTE(TheSheik @ Apr 26 2010, 10:34 AM) [snapback]550541[/snapback]
Damn, reading the rest of the tweets below it looks like he was hittin the bottle pretty hard last night


Yea...not too smart re: blowing up the NBA offices.
 

South Texas Frog

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QUOTE(NORMLFROG @ Apr 26 2010, 10:32 AM) [snapback]550540[/snapback]
I was born at Santa Rosa....can I be an honorary dirty mexican, too?

NF


Of course...we're all dirty Mexicans that live south of Austin.
 

TheSheik

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QUOTE(TCURiggs @ Apr 26 2010, 10:37 AM) [snapback]550544[/snapback]
Very true statements.

I wonder if OKC has any room left on their bandwagon? Hell, I found myself cheering for the Jazz last night. F basketball.



Yeah, I am definately on the OKC bandwagon as well as the whoever the Spurs are playing bandwagon
 

TCURiggs

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QUOTE(TheSheik @ Apr 26 2010, 03:42 PM) [snapback]550549[/snapback]
Yeah, I am definately on the OKC bandwagon as well as the whoever the Spurs are playing bandwagon


That's why I was pulling for Utah last night...anti-Denver bandwagon.
 

NORMLFROG

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QUOTE(South Texas Frog @ Apr 26 2010, 03:41 PM) [snapback]550548[/snapback]
Of course...we're all dirty Mexicans that live south of Austin.



Mexicans.jpg


Hey South Texas Frog....remember that time that we partied at the State Bar Convention? Good times my friend!


NF
 

Limey Frog

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QUOTE(redpurple @ Apr 25 2010, 09:19 PM) [snapback]550354[/snapback]
Since the Rangers suck, all we have to look forward to are Frogs, Cowboys, and in my case Sooners!

Only 132 more days!!


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Try it... you might like it.
 

South Texas Frog

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QUOTE(NORMLFROG @ Apr 26 2010, 10:57 AM) [snapback]550568[/snapback]
Mexicans.jpg


Hey South Texas Frog....remember that time that we partied at the State Bar Convention? Good times my friend!
NF


Ahhh...the good ol' days.

Viva La Raza.
 
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kdaltcu

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If the Mavs win game 5 it could definitely give them some momentum in the series. However, the way the Spurs have been playing and the way Dirk had his head down at the press conference yesterday, it is hard to see the Spurs blow this series. I watched probably 55-60 Spurs games this season, and it was frustrating as a fan because they just couldnt seem to put it all together for all 48 minutes. Talk about coming together at the right time! Go Spurs Go! Sorry fellow Frog Mavs fans...
 

2314@work

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QUOTE(KDalTCU @ Apr 26 2010, 12:16 PM) [snapback]550644[/snapback]
If the Mavs win game 5 it could definitely give them some momentum in the series. However, the way the Spurs have been playing and the way Dirk had his head down at the press conference yesterday, it is hard to see the Spurs blow this series. I watched probably 55-60 Spurs games this season, and it was frustrating as a fan because they just couldnt seem to put it all together for all 48 minutes. Talk about coming together at the right time! Go Spurs Go! Sorry fellow Frog Mavs fans...

Two things:
- Mavs have still not recovered from the '06 Finals;
- Cuban may as well sell the team. Mavs will get no breaks form officials (and this is painfully obvious) until Cuban is gone. NBA is wrong and I hope the league suffers for it in time. Stern is a two-faced ratbastard and had proven he plays favorites. NBA continues to be a slime league.
When Dirk retires, I will never watch NBA basketball again. I made that promise in '06 and will stick to it. I hope everyone else joins the boycott. I would love to see the NBA fold. It's a league for Yankee F's anyway.
 

713frog

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QUOTE(2314 @ Apr 26 2010, 12:27 PM) [snapback]550653[/snapback]
When Dirk retires, I will never watch NBA basketball again. I made that promise in '06 and will stick to it. I hope everyone else joins the boycott. I would love to see the NBA fold. It's a league for Yankee F's anyway.



no thanks, i like watching fixed basketball games
 

NORMLFROG

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QUOTE(2314 @ Apr 26 2010, 05:27 PM) [snapback]550653[/snapback]
Two things:
- Mavs have still not recovered from the '06 Finals;
- Cuban may as well sell the team. Mavs will get no breaks form officials (and this is painfully obvious) until Cuban is gone. NBA is wrong and I hope the league suffers for it in time. Stern is a two-faced ratbastard and had proven he plays favorites. NBA continues to be a slime league.
When Dirk retires, I will never watch NBA basketball again. I made that promise in '06 and will stick to it. I hope everyone else joins the boycott. I would love to see the NBA fold. It's a league for Yankee F's anyway.



I swear that Mavericks fans are the biggest bunch of Nancys on the face of the earth.

NF
 

South Texas Frog

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QUOTE(2314 @ Apr 26 2010, 12:27 PM) [snapback]550653[/snapback]
Mavs will get no breaks form officials (and this is painfully obvious) until Cuban is gone.


Such a tired excuse...this has been a well-called series. Refs understand the Playoffs are more physical and usually let the teams play until it gets a little too rough (see Najera / Manu and RJ / Dirk).

The Mavs have one GLARING problem - THEY DON'T PLAY DEFENSE.
 

ectofrog

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QUOTE(TCURiggs @ Apr 25 2010, 10:04 PM) [snapback]550381[/snapback]
Not true. Lots of teams come in to a season or a playoff series as the underdogs (or with low expectations), but end up pulling off the upset or having a great/unexpected run...the Mavs are never that team. They are typically the favorites and end up crapping the bed, which is much more disappointing in my book.


There is an element to this that is misleading. Once a team tastes playoff success, their fans seem to not pay attention to whether or not they are actually favorites in a given series. Case in point: During the 2000-01 season in which this era of Mavs basketball was born, everybody was ecstatic that we'd pulled some huge upset against the Jazz in the first round...in reality, that was a 4-5 matchup. We pulled the Spurs in Round 2 and lost 4-1. Nobody was upset with that at all. Let's look at how many times the Mavs have pulled upsets vs. how many times they've been upset:

2000-01: Upset the Jazz, lost to heavily-favored Spurs
2001-02: Beat lower-seeded Minnesota, lost to favored Kings
2002-03: Beat lower-seeded Portland, beat lower-seeded Kings, lost to favored Spurs
2003-04: Lost to favored Kings
2004-05: Beat lower-seeded Rockets, lost to favored Suns
2005-06: Beat lower-seeded Grizzlies, Upset favored Spurs, Beat lower-seeded Suns, Upset By underdog Heat (and the officials, which combined - made the Heat a fave in my book)
2006-07: Lost to huge underdog Warriors (the first true meltdown in this era and admittedly - perhaps the greatest meltdown in all of American pro sports history, given that an 8 had NEVER beaten a 1 and that the NBA is the toughest league to win as the underdog in the playoffs)
2007-08: Lost to higher-seeded Hornets
2008-09: Upset higher-seeded Spurs, lost to higher-seeded Nuggets

In terms of upsets vs. being upset, I'm counting 3 upsets for the Mavs in this era (Jazz once and the Spurs twice) vs. the Mavs being upset twice (Heat and Warriors). That doesn't seem like a team that melts as a favorite over and over. Even if you assume they lose this series, it's still just 3-to-3...and I, for one, will never be convinced the '06 Finals were not a hose-job by the officiating. Officiate that series in a manner that even approaches fairness and the Mavs would have a ring...and the history since then would be drastically different.

This is a team that has shot itself in the foot at times, for sure...but it's also a team that's been drowned by bad breaks and circumstances beyond what is normal. Game 3 of this series is another great example. Danny Crawford refereeing...Spurs play a FAR more physical game and get 16 fouls whistled against them while the Mavs have 25 whistles go against them. And if someone can explain how the breakaway was NOT a clear-path foul in the second half of Game 3, I'd appreciate it. As poorly as the Mavs have shot, this thing should easily be 2-2...same thing with the Nugs last year with the no-foul on Melo when we had clearly fouled him intentionally. Without that phantom call, the Mavs head back to Denver 2-2...who knows what would have happened?

As disappointed as I am in the Mavs, I am sick to death of NBA officiating. It is the worst-officiated league in all of professional sports, and the officiating is far worse in the NBA than college or Olympic basketball (1980 notwithstanding). It is disgusting how you can know who's going to win and who's going to lose based on which ref is calling the game. They need to do something about it...it's already cost them a substantial group of basketball fans who refuse to watch the Association and opt for college and international instead. I don't want to join that group, but I'm getting there.
 

2314@work

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QUOTE(South Texas Frog @ Apr 26 2010, 12:46 PM) [snapback]550665[/snapback]
Such a tired excuse...this has been a well-called series. Refs understand the Playoffs are more physical and usually let the teams play until it gets a little too rough (see Najera / Manu and RJ / Dirk).

The Mavs have one GLARING problem - THEY DON'T PLAY DEFENSE.

It's true. Only a baboon brain would disagree ... or someone who has no clue.
But, refs are no excuse in this series for unphysical Mavs.
Your last line is the real reason.
But I am just saying that Cuban may as well sell the team. Mavs will never win the title with Cuban as owner because of the NBA. Just the fact that NBA assigned Dan Crawford to a Mavs playoff game was an obvious statement. What a horrible league it is.
 
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kdaltcu

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QUOTE(2314 @ Apr 26 2010, 12:27 PM) [snapback]550653[/snapback]
Two things:
- Cuban may as well sell the team. Mavs will get no breaks form officials (and this is painfully obvious) until Cuban is gone. NBA is wrong and I hope the league suffers for it in time. Stern is a two-faced ratbastard and had proven he plays favorites. NBA continues to be a slime league.
When Dirk retires, I will never watch NBA basketball again. I made that promise in '06 and will stick to it. I hope everyone else joins the boycott. I would love to see the NBA fold. It's a league for Yankee F's anyway.


The NBA is NOT FREAKING RIGGED!!! Im so tired of hearing that from Mavs fans. Why would the Spurs, one of the lowest market teams, win 4 championships if the league was rigged??!! The NBA is a good league. Yes, it's probably one of the hardest games to call as a ref, but in most series the best team wins. The Spurs got screwed in the 2006 series when Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot and drew a foul in a critical game 4. It was an AWFUL call, but I dont think that the ref purposely called it in order for the Mavs to win. Dereck Fisher hacked Brent Barry on a final 3 point shot in the 2008 WCF during a critical game 4, yes AWFUL miss by the refs, but the bottom line is if the Spurs wanted to win that series than they shouldnt have blown a 20 point lead in game 1. It's easy to blame the refs when you lose, but the NBA is NOT rigged. That kind of risk just would not make sense, especially if you are favoring the San Antonio Spurs!
 

2314@work

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QUOTE(KDalTCU @ Apr 26 2010, 01:08 PM) [snapback]550687[/snapback]
The NBA is NOT FREAKING RIGGED!!! Im so tired of hearing that from Mavs fans. Why would the Spurs, one of the lowest market teams, win 4 championships if the league was rigged??!! The NBA is a good league. Yes, it's probably one of the hardest games to call as a ref, but in most series the best team wins. The Spurs got screwed in the 2006 series when Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot and drew a foul in a critical game 4. It was an AWFUL call, but I dont think that the ref purposely called it in order for the Mavs to win. Dereck Fisher hacked Brent Barry on a final 3 point shot in the 2008 WCF during a critical game 4, yes AWFUL miss by the refs, but the bottom line is if the Spurs wanted to win that series than they shouldnt have blown a 20 point lead in game 1. It's easy to blame the refs when you lose, but the NBA is NOT rigged. That kind of risk just would not make sense, especially if you are favoring the San Antonio Spurs!

Not rigged on purpose. Refs are human. Some (not all) calls are influenced by hatred of Cuban.
Not taking away anything from SA in this series. Heavens no.
But you Dallas-sports-hating peeps also have to look at yourselves in the mirror.
I hate it when you people refuse to see the obvious (read Tim Donaghy's book) just because you hate Dallas-area pro sports teams.
And the reason you hate such is a jealousy of the 5-time Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys.
Truth hurts, huh?
 

guerinrules

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QUOTE(2314 @ Apr 26 2010, 06:12 PM) [snapback]550691[/snapback]
I hate it when you people refuse to see the obvious (read Tim Donaghy's book) just because you hate Dallas-area pro sports teams.


a must read and sadly nothing in it came as a shock
 
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