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Max Finishes Second in Heisman Votes

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PineyWoodsFrog

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Eight said:
throwing for over 4,000 yards with 37 td's doesn't hurt
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And another 10 rushing. I don't get why it's so hard to fathom Caleb winning. Dude's numbers and impact were off the charts. The whole "spirit of the award" thing is just rubbish that the Heisman club has to put in their statement, just like the Heisman wasn't actually created to go to the best player, but instead the offensive player who had the best season and the MVP in pro sports rarely goes to the actual "most valuable", but rather who has the best stats. With Baker Mayfield grabbing his crotch and making a gesture to an opposing team and still winning the award, there was no way Williams was going to be punished for some fingernail polish. Regardless of what the Heisman is supposed to "represent" it's mostly about the statistics. I'm sure Max is more concerned about beating Michigan anyway.
 
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Endless Purple

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He was closer to #1 than #3.

I think voters need to watch and see how players play to see the intangibles such as the last TD drive by Duggan. He forced that TD in. If it is just who has the best stats, you don't need hundreds of voters to figure that out. That said I do not watch enough of Williams to say that he still would not have earned it. May not change anything, but I think it should be more than just the passing numbers.
 
TooColdU

TooColdU

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PineyWoodsFrog said:
And another 10 rushing. I don't get why it's so hard to fathom Caleb winning. Dude's numbers and impact were off the charts. The whole "spirit of the award" thing is just rubbish that the Heisman club has to put in their statement, just like the Heisman wasn't actually created to go to the best player, but instead the offensive player who had the best season and the MVP in pro sports rarely goes to the actual "most valuable", but rather who has the best stats. With Baker Mayfield grabbing his crotch and making a gesture to an opposing team and still winning the award, there was no way Williams was going to be punished for some fingernail polish. Regardless of what the Heisman is supposed to "represent" it's mostly about the statistics. I'm sure Max is more concerned about beating Michigan anyway.
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I mean if it was just about stats than Drake Maye should've been 2nd or maybe even won it considering he's still freshman.

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Williams has 5 more total touchdowns and 3 less interceptions, but Maye beats him in completion percentage, passing yards and almost doubles him in rushing yards.

Not to mention Maye is still classified as a freshman.

The truth is that the award isn't just about stats. The huge flaw in this system is the early voting and the number of media members that get to vote. It's the same issue with the AP poll. Biases do play a huge part.

It's not "hard to fathom" at all, you're just on a TCU message board defending the guy our Quarterback lost to. Read the damn room.
 
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Paint It Purple

Paint It Purple

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Caleb deserved the award. Good football player. No doubt. What rubs folks wrong is that Caleb also represents much that is wrong with today's game and society. The blatant commercialism and self promotion. Money over character. That Adidas suit was beyond tacky. The "since 10 year old" story with his dad worked out well for them. Sadly, many families will and have heard that story; set out to duplicate it from age 10 and find despair in its end.
 
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tjcoffice

tjcoffice

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The Heisman typically goes to the best player among the most-watched teams, not among *all* the teams. It has been that way forever. That means hype makes a difference. If you are a Heisman voter, you are more likely to watch a game with one of those candidates who appear in the sports pages. Why would a typical Heisman voter watch smaller schools or lesser known schools? If you are from a smaller school, then your chances of winning are diminished. If you are a great player on a USC or Notre Dame - on TV often during most seasons, your chances of winning are much bigger, especially with some media hype along the way. There are several examples of folks from lesser known schools - or schools that just were not on the radar at the time - who exceeded the stats or the leadership of the actual winner, but did not win the Heisman. Klingler at Houston, Faulk at San Diego State, Jerry Rhome at Tulsa back in the day, LaDamian at TCU, Steve Young at BYU, etc.
 
Horny4TCU

Horny4TCU

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Williams is not Heisman material...

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