FroginBedford68
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If not Dykes then what are the options?
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An-Cap Frog
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This is the correct take. Also, prepare for the OC and DC to remain in staff for the same reason. I know Arkansas just fired theirs, but imagine trying to hire a replacement. You might see an extra hire like a QC coach that will come in, but not wholesale changes.
Limey Frog
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Baring a catastrophic collapse down the stretch, I strongly suspect you're right. This means entering the 2024 season not as a fairly established front-runner program in the new Big XII but with effectively no practical idea of how good TCU actually is, just hoping to see forward momentum. In other words, despite going 13-2 last year and playing for a national championship, we're right back where the late-stage Patterson regime left us and in the situation Sonny Dykes inherited.
ShreveFrog
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I think JG has these last 4 games to try to keep his job.
An-Cap Frog
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Isn't that every year?
froglash88
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Agree
We’ve seen winning a Natty in ‘10 and fired in ‘12. That’s got to be one of the fastest on record.
DeuceBoogieNights
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Even if we have staff changes we still don't have a quarterback. We're going to run this same [ Finebaum ] next year with Chandler Morris again. Rinse and repeat. Dykes isn't a P5 coach.
tyler durden
Tyler Durden
Time to gin up the ol’ Committee of 100, see if we can’t find some way to turn this thing around.
tyler durden
Tyler Durden
Abyssmal season. I’ve got an idea, let’s not change one single thing and give this another go. They’ll never even see us coming.
Limey Frog
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There's a decent case to be made that the 3-3-5 can work, works well elsewhere, and we're building up to having the right personnel, etc. Maybe a few remarkable defensive standouts last year (Winters, Horton, Tre Hodges-Tomlinson) made the rebuild look ahead of schedule, and this year looks farther behind schedule than it in fact is. maybe we're like OU who looked awful last year and people kept saying that Venables's scheme takes two years to install; lo and behold, in 2023, they're back. Maybe Gillespie's defense looks a whole lot better next year. I can certainly see that argument for waiting.
If you can make that argument for Gillespie, you can make it for Johnny Tape-fingers, too*, on the basis that he didn't have a QB or anywhere near last year's line. One difference here is that we don't have a QB because the offensive staff apparently believed in Chandler so much that they scared off every decent prospect we looked at in the portal. That's on them: they misevaluated what we had and failed to land a decent transfer. If Johnny is back at OC for 2024 and can't get a QB this off-season, we're going to be mediocre to poor again next year. So I suppose the "good" news is that you'll know by the time the post-season transfer window closes if the '24 Frogs have a snowball's chance in hell, and if the answer is "no, we don't" we can all just emotionally check out until September.
*[I personally wouldn't make that argument; I'd fire him now, because I wouldn't have hired him in the first place and was told that I needed to "get over it" because we were going to be good on offense, but we actually suck. But, whatever; we can re-litigate this ad nauseam....]
BrewingFrog
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This is Year Two for Gillespie's Scheme. It wasn't the best last season, and it's just slapstick bad this season. We aren't seeing improvement. We are seeing continued collapse and lack of anything approaching what was established last season. The players look to be just going through the motions.
I've seen enough. If they'd left him sitting with his baggage on the tarmac in Manhattan, I'd have applauded. As it is, I'm sure they'll give him until the end of the year, which means we're looking at three or more losses. Then he clears out his desk, security escorts him out, and we go looking for somebody else. Probably an ex-Baylor coach...
The Frog to be Named Later
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Phil Bennett to complete the trifecta?
Limey Frog
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I'm agnostic at this point. Hard experience cheering for an absolute dumpster fire of a soccer club all my life has taught me that quick changes of coaching personnel more often lead to setbacks than progress. Instinctually I prefer stability and the slow-build. Overall, I still believe that this staff must have some real ability. The eight guys we had drafted last year were a special group, but they'd mostly been on the roster previously and even with everything that bounced in our favor last year (and there was a lot), you still don't just fall donkey-backwards into a playoff semifinal win without being able to coach. That said, the defense wasn't good last year at anything other than timely turnovers, which is difficult to replicate and not by itself an indication that you're good (see USC last year and this: they, too, excelled at generating turnovers last year, this year they're a disaster). This year we're worse on defense.
Like I said, I can see an argument for bringing Gillespie back, and I think that's what Sonny will do. I wouldn't complain if we made a change. I won't predict either disaster or success if he comes back; I'll just wait and hope.
Frog Attack II
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There's only 1 true solution:
D-I-C-K Bumpas!!!!!
D-I-C-K Bumpas!!!!!
Toad Jones
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Is there a majority of opinion on why this thing went south? Don't think I've seen one
Just read this page of the thread but I take it we (fans) are done with Hoover? He looked like an All American in game 1 and a redshirt freshman in his first road start in game 2. Are we ready to throw him to the curb?
We need to get better on both lines and make that a priority! Our skill players are adequate but we must do a better job up front.
ShreveFrog
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Agree totally. Unfortunately I think the book is out on Morris. Can't throw deep and hesitant to run. KSU pressure goes to my point about the line. We have to get better. Last year Texas did a good job getting to Max, KSU put up a great goal line stand in B12 Champ game and I won't even mention UGA.
Interesting that we have probably had more o lineman in the NFL than any other position or group.
ShreveFrog
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Morris said as much in an early Carter Boys episode. He had to work to over come that. Maybe I misinterpreted what he said.
