Austintxfrog94
Full Member
That's sillyAnytime a group of people doesn’t fit into the narrative we use to form our perspective- so pretty much anytime we have an opinion?
That's sillyAnytime a group of people doesn’t fit into the narrative we use to form our perspective- so pretty much anytime we have an opinion?
That's a very interesting story - especially to this former TCU debater. Do you know when it occurred? Or any other details?
No, it isn't. I am responding to a post that says "there are social injustices in every race of some kind, not just black." Yes, Native Americans are certainly a notable exception in terms of severity as well. That does not mean every race faces the same social injustice that African Americans face in the US both historically and today, so the attempt to lump them all together and act like African American injustice is not exceptional compared to most (again, not all) is preposterous.
Yikes.I know I should have been more specific, but that was where I was going with that. If the black activists want to compare their social inequalities to the Native Americans, they are way off base and need to learn more about the history of the tribes of this country and what happened to them. As Flyfishingfrog pointed out, how about the tribes that were completely wiped out? I bet there is a very good chance they, black activists, would still claim they have been treated 1000 times worse because it wouldn't fit their narrative. I mean, if they want to talk about reparations, I believe Native Americans need to be put in the front of the line before them. You think that's going to happen anytime soon? We both know it isn't.
Thank you flyfishingfrog for going where I was going to go with my post. You said exactly what I have said to many of my African American friends that try to bring up how no other race in has been treat as bad as their race in the world, or in this country. I point out the Jews in WWII & the Native Americans might have a say in that, but as usual they dismiss those accounts. They claim those races haven't suffered like they have. I have had to just get up and walk away. There is no talking at that point.
Yikes.
Not sure LT would agree "It's not so bad, at least you weren't the victim of genocide" is as strong an argument as you seem to, but I could be wrong.
Tell that to the 30 million estimated humans who died in the slave trade while being transported.I know I should have been more specific, but that was where I was going with that. If the black activists want to compare their social inequalities to the Native Americans, they are way off base and need to learn more about the history of the tribes of this country and what happened to them. As Flyfishingfrog pointed out, how about the tribes that were completely wiped out? I bet there is a very good chance they, black activists, would still claim they have been treated 1000 times worse because it wouldn't fit their narrative. I mean, if they want to talk about reparations, I believe Native Americans need to be put in the front of the line before them. You think that's going to happen anytime soon? We both know it isn't.
Thank you flyfishingfrog for going where I was going to go with my post. You said exactly what I have said to many of my African American friends that try to bring up how no other race in has been treat as bad as their race in the world, or in this country. I point out the Jews in WWII & the Native Americans might have a say in that, but as usual they dismiss those accounts. They claim those races haven't suffered like they have. I have had to just get up and walk away. There is no talking at that point.
Yep, exactly what I said. Nailed it dead on.So you're saying the genocide of these other races is nothing compared to what the black activists are claiming? Gotcha...
Yikes.
Not sure LT would agree "It's not so bad, at least you weren't the victim of genocide" is as strong an argument as you seem to, but I could be wrong.
This is true. Salfrog being wrong there is not dependent on LT recognizing it, I was just trying to keep it relevant to the thread and the topic at hand.And just because LT wouldn't agree doesn't mean Salfrog is wrong. That's kind of the point he was making.
well we do know he would win the argument - because the other side has no voice since 98.5% of their ancestors were exterminated from the face of planet and thus are not alive to argue....Yikes.
Not sure LT would agree "It's not so bad, at least you weren't the victim of genocide" is as strong an argument as you seem to, but I could be wrong.
are you now moving the argument to the US is responsible for all slave trading across the entire globe?Tell that to the 30 million estimated humans who died in the slave trade while being transported.
Tell that to the 30 million estimated humans who died in the slave trade while being transported.
Interestingly - the estimated 15 million people forced into slavery and sent across the Atlantic between 1525 and 1866 is about the same as the estimated number of Native American's alive in 1500. Of the 15 million slaves forced to the New World, it seems to be agreed that about 10 million of them lived through the transit. But of the 15 million Native Americans that existed in 1500 AD, less than 225,000 managed to survive the intentional and unintentional genocide of their race.
This took a turn.
But for the new discussion, if your family is not Native American or were not African American who were slaves here before the Civil War, then you really have no say as to which was worse between the two.
I would even venture a guess that those who have it worse are those that are slaves right now in the US instead of the ones who are ancestors of the two other groups, but that is more a gender issue. It is just the one that something can be done about, but not part of the current narrative.
You want to be a Kroeber-ist or a Dobyns-ian?FlyFishing, you list the total population of Native Americans at 15 million, but as with the slaves, it was a fairly small proportion that were living in North America, yes? What figure would you use as a comparison to the 350,000 slaves sent to NA as a baseline? I have seen recent estimates ranging from 1.9 million (Ubelaker 2006) to ~4 million (Milner & Chaplin 2010).
so I don't agree with your top statement really - as Pharm stated later, people who are descendants like my wife tend to have a stronger perspective but also a stronger bias naturally.This took a turn.
But for the new discussion, if your family is not Native American or were not African American who were slaves here before the Civil War, then you really have no say as to which was worse between the two.
I would even venture a guess that those who have it worse are those that are slaves right now in the US instead of the ones who are ancestors of the two other groups, but that is more a gender issue. It is just the one that something can be done about, but not part of the current narrative.
total gaslighting bs argumentThis took a turn.
But for the new discussion, if your family is not Native American or were not African American who were slaves here before the Civil War, then you really have no say as to which was worse between the two.
I would even venture a guess that those who have it worse are those that are slaves right now in the US instead of the ones who are ancestors of the two other groups, but that is more a gender issue. It is just the one that something can be done about, but not part of the current narrative.
So you're saying the genocide of these other races is nothing compared to what the black activists are claiming? Gotcha...