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Amid such a disappointing season, would TCU move on from either coordinator?

By Big Steaming Pile

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No reasonable, or unreasonable, person expected the TCU football program to repeat in 2023 what it did in 2022, but those same people could not have anticipated the Horned Frogs would compete with Texas A&M this season.

Compete for “The Most Disappointing Team” trophy in major college football.

The Aggies had to hire Arthur Andersen’s leftovers to figure out how to pay $77 million to make head coach Jimbo Fisher go away while TCU is close to failing to qualify for a bowl less than a year from reaching the national title game.

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article281946728.html#storylink=cpy

Read more at https://sports.yahoo.com/news/amid-disappointing-season-tcu-move-224005949.html
 
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ShreveFrog

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I don't know that Hoover is ready to supplant Morris as QB1 next year. If I could see Hoov allowed to run that might help. But his one good game against BYU is hardly a measuring stick. He never saw pressure, except once and he took off on a 26 yard run. (More of that, please!)
I thought Morris looked pretty solid against SMU and Houston. Plays with some swagger. Those WV and ISU games though.
I guess I'd like Sonny to find a really good QB in the portal to at least bridge to the next. Even if that means Morris or Hoov hit the portal. Gotta have a good QB.
 
fanatical frog

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ShreveFrog said:
I don't know that Hoover is ready to supplant Morris as QB1 next year. If I could see Hoov allowed to run that might help. But his one good game against BYU is hardly a measuring stick. He never saw pressure, except once and he took off on a 26 yard run. (More of that, please!)
I thought Morris looked pretty solid against SMU and Houston. Plays with some swagger. Those WV and ISU games though.
I guess I'd like Sonny to find a really good QB in the portal to at least bridge to the next. Even if that means Morris or Hoov hit the portal. Gotta have a good QB.
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Disagree. Chandler is very good but you can't build an offense around a QB who unfortunately can't stay healthy. I might be a game or two off here but my recollection is he's played well in nine games over three seasons but had lost-time injuries in three of those. I hate it for Chandler but it's just a fact.

I also think Hoover is a better QB than Chandler even while KB is making Josh play with one hand behind his back. He's completed 61% of his passes while evading a stampede of guys in the wrong colored shirts.
 
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Toad Jones

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Big Frog II said:
Hard to tell how good Briles is with the QB situation we have had this year. After two years still not sold on the DC.
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i don't believe Sonny wants to replace Gillespie or Briles. It's just a feeling based on articles read/heard.

I'll tell you one thing, this bunch can recruit!

Sonny will never admit it, but the chemistry on this team NEVER materialized. I also think the NIL had a lot to do with this. Trying to manipulate the chemistry, organization, and egos of 18-19-20-year-olds would be a frustrating task, then add money paid, and you have a monster on your hands!

Joe Gillespie is a better coach now because of obvious personnel needs. Slowly improving! And Briles falls into a similar situation. No consistency or offensive statement because, again, not the right personnel. Limited resources cause consistency!

I have heard over and over, Dykes is a good CEO from people who would know of that.
 
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Wexahu

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ShreveFrog said:
I don't know that Hoover is ready to supplant Morris as QB1 next year. If I could see Hoov allowed to run that might help. But his one good game against BYU is hardly a measuring stick. He never saw pressure, except once and he took off on a 26 yard run. (More of that, please!)
I thought Morris looked pretty solid against SMU and Houston. Plays with some swagger. Those WV and ISU games though.
I guess I'd like Sonny to find a really good QB in the portal to at least bridge to the next. Even if that means Morris or Hoov hit the portal. Gotta have a good QB.
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Morris wasn't as good as I thought he would be. He's by no means bad, but I'm not sure he's a much above average starting P5 QB. And to me there isn't a huge difference between Morris and Hoover, they look similar out there to me. Capable of making most all the throws, decent feet, but small and prone to getting careless. I guess Hoover has more upside maybe just because he's quite a bit younger....we'll see.

It's going to be hard to lure a guy that's any better without guaranteeing him the starting job, and if you do that, there goes Hoover and/or Morris to somewhere else.
 
4 Oaks Frog

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This article was one of Muck’s good efforts. I find myself agreeing with him. Morris is no longer our starting QB…this year or next. Hoover has the ability and attitude to be an elite QB, but he needs a good OC/QB coach to get him to that level.
We are ranked high in total yardage, but at the bottom in scoring.
Quote from Muck’s article:
“In the category of more stats that make no sense, TCU’s offense under Briles ranks 16th nationally in total yards, yet is tied for 56th in points.”
We are a good team between the 20s, but we lack the scheme and play calling to get into the end zone. That reeks of a bad OC, plain and simple…
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fanatical frog

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Wexahu said:
Morris wasn't as good as I thought he would be. He's by no means bad, but I'm not sure he's a much above average starting P5 QB. And to me there isn't a huge difference between Morris and Hoover, they look similar out there to me. Capable of making most all the throws, decent feet, but small and prone to getting careless. I guess Hoover has more upside maybe just because he's quite a bit younger....we'll see.

It's going to be hard to lure a guy that's any better without guaranteeing him the starting job, and if you do that, there goes Hoover and/or Morris to somewhere else.
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Agree.
 
BrewingFrog

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Was I supposed to type something here?
The shortcomings of both coordinators has been on display. Inability to game plan, scheme or adjust, and a continual failure to put athletes in a position to succeed. This is hardly new, and the lack of changes to these failed strategies points to a rigidity of thought incompatible with the ability to adjust to circumstances.

Sonny isn't firing anybody. Get used to failure.
 
tjcoffice

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Toad Jones said:
Sonny will never admit it, but the chemistry on this team NEVER materialized. I also think the NIL had a lot to do with this. Trying to manipulate the chemistry, organization, and egos of 18-19-20-year-olds would be a frustrating task, then add money paid, and you have a monster on your hands!
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Fair point. And that is the sort of thing coaches do not discuss in public.
 
Frogfam4

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Wexahu said:
Morris wasn't as good as I thought he would be. He's by no means bad, but I'm not sure he's a much above average starting P5 QB. And to me there isn't a huge difference between Morris and Hoover, they look similar out there to me. Capable of making most all the throws, decent feet, but small and prone to getting careless. I guess Hoover has more upside maybe just because he's quite a bit younger....we'll see.

It's going to be hard to lure a guy that's any better without guaranteeing him the starting job, and if you do that, there goes Hoover and/or Morris to somewhere else.
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I will be honest, I do not think Morris is a P5 QB. He has some talent, but not at this level. I also get the feeling he is not a very good team guy. I know that I will get bashed on here, but I do know that he was mad last year about the success Max had, He felt he should have been the guy and was very selfish about that whole situation. I understand that competitors will get upset, but when it becomes a selfishness that is not good. Look at him on the sidelines now. He does not look happy or celebrate success with his team. I feel like the team is better with Hoover, he gives credit to others and takes blame when things do not go right.
 
06DallasFrog

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Frogfam4 said:
I will be honest, I do not think Morris is a P5 QB. He has some talent, but not at this level. I also get the feeling he is not a very good team guy. I know that I will get bashed on here, but I do know that he was mad last year about the success Max had, He felt he should have been the guy and was very selfish about that whole situation. I understand that competitors will get upset, but when it becomes a selfishness that is not good. Look at him on the sidelines now. He does not look happy or celebrate success with his team. I feel like the team is better with Hoover, he gives credit to others and takes blame when things do not go right.
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Max had 'it'. Multiple servings. I think Hoover already has more of 'it' than Chandler. When has Chandler ever come out to say, "If I have to be the backup, I'll be the best backup in the country"?
 

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