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AP: Athletes in $2.8 billion college lawsuit, including TCU's Sedona Prince, tell judge they want to create a players' association

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AP: Athletes in $2.8 billion college lawsuit tell judge they want to create a players’ association

By EDDIE PELLS
Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

The athletes whose lawsuit against the NCAA is primed to pave the way for schools to pay them directly also want a players’ association to represent them in the complex contract negotiations that have overtaken the sport.

Grant House, Sedona Prince and Nya Harrison wrote to the judge overseeing what’s known as the House settlement, saying that although they are generally happy with the terms of the proposed settlement “there still remains a critical need for structural changes to protect athletes and prevent the failures of the past.”

That, they said, would be a players’ association, which they believe will help their voices be better heard as the NCAA and its schools move toward a system to share hundreds of millions in TV and ticket revenue with players.
The players said an association would help standardize name-image-likeness (NIL) contracts to establish minimum payments and health protections “and to create an ecosystem where athletes can thrive.”

“While professional leagues include athletes in these decisions through their respective players’ associations, the college system continues to prevent our players’ association from representing us at the decision-making tables,” the letter said.

The settlement, with a price tag of $2.8 billion that will be distributed over the next 10 years to players both past and present, does not address whether athletes should be considered employees of the schools. That’s an issue the NCAA is asking Congress to prevent for fear the costs could wreck college sports.

The NCAA did not immediately respond to a message from The Associated Press seeking comment Tuesday.
Earlier this year, the head of the National College Players Association confirmed that a licensing organization that works with the NFL Players’ Association had emailed thousands of college football players, encouraging them to join the NCPA. Separately, the chairman of another group trying to organize college athletes, athletes.org, said it already had some 4,000 members. The players who wrote the letter said they wanted to work with athletes.org.

A hearing to approve the settlement is set for April 7. The request could shape how U.S. Judge Claudia Wilken views the settlement’s long-term chances of succeeding, but plaintiffs’ attorney Jeffrey Kessler said the letter was an endorsement of the settlement and he doesn’t expect it to impact the agreement.

“All three of these athletes fully support approval of the settlement but wanted to express their additional views that a players’ association is also desirable,” Kessler said. “I salute their devotion to these issues and their fellow college athletes.”

Whether college athletes can ever be considered school employees is a thorny topic. There are multiple issues in front of the National Labor Relations Board, including a complaint against USC and the Pac-12; a unionization effort by the men’s basketball team at Dartmouth; an unfair labor complaint against Notre Dame; and a federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania filed by former Villanova football player Trey Johnson.

All of it could lead to college athletes being granted employee status, though court battles are assured.
 

FroggleRock

Active Member
IOW, they want to be considered employees of the school so they can then form a union. Yeah no thanks. Things are already broken as they are already.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
This is where we are.
I don't understand why "the powers that be" can't get together and construct a system that fits within the legal landscape rather than just bleeding out slowly one court-rom loss at a time.

Turn the CFP into football's governing body; CFP conferences split off to a completely separate sub-division with no cross-over games against non-CFP conferences; players are eligible for the players' association if they have a scholarship offer from a CFP conference school; players are employees of the CFP and subcontractors of the schools; transfer/eligibility limit rules can be enforced, as can contracts and even restriction on ineligible add-ons labelled NIL (i.e. booster cash handouts).

You probably need to cut football off from the other sports, and what that does to Title IX sports and non-revenue sports can be readily imagined. Oh well. If people want to fund women's swimming for its own sake they may do so. Sooner or later all of these lawsuits will force this to happen. If you wait for it to be imposed piecemeal it will be a bigger mess than it needs to be.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
College athletics had a good 181 year run, but all good things…

"The evil in our desires typically does not lie in what we want, but that we want it too much." —John Calvin
Yeah, it's minor league professional sports now. The college brand names remain strong, but for how long?
 

Mean Purple

Active Member
AP: Athletes in $2.8 billion college lawsuit tell judge they want to create a players’ association

By EDDIE PELLS
Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

The athletes whose lawsuit against the NCAA is primed to pave the way for schools to pay them directly also want a players’ association to represent them in the complex contract negotiations that have overtaken the sport.

Grant House, Sedona Prince and Nya Harrison wrote to the judge overseeing what’s known as the House settlement, saying that although they are generally happy with the terms of the proposed settlement “there still remains a critical need for structural changes to protect athletes and prevent the failures of the past.”

That, they said, would be a players’ association, which they believe will help their voices be better heard as the NCAA and its schools move toward a system to share hundreds of millions in TV and ticket revenue with players.
The players said an association would help standardize name-image-likeness (NIL) contracts to establish minimum payments and health protections “and to create an ecosystem where athletes can thrive.”

“While professional leagues include athletes in these decisions through their respective players’ associations, the college system continues to prevent our players’ association from representing us at the decision-making tables,” the letter said.

The settlement, with a price tag of $2.8 billion that will be distributed over the next 10 years to players both past and present, does not address whether athletes should be considered employees of the schools. That’s an issue the NCAA is asking Congress to prevent for fear the costs could wreck college sports.

The NCAA did not immediately respond to a message from The Associated Press seeking comment Tuesday.
Earlier this year, the head of the National College Players Association confirmed that a licensing organization that works with the NFL Players’ Association had emailed thousands of college football players, encouraging them to join the NCPA. Separately, the chairman of another group trying to organize college athletes, athletes.org, said it already had some 4,000 members. The players who wrote the letter said they wanted to work with athletes.org.

A hearing to approve the settlement is set for April 7. The request could shape how U.S. Judge Claudia Wilken views the settlement’s long-term chances of succeeding, but plaintiffs’ attorney Jeffrey Kessler said the letter was an endorsement of the settlement and he doesn’t expect it to impact the agreement.

“All three of these athletes fully support approval of the settlement but wanted to express their additional views that a players’ association is also desirable,” Kessler said. “I salute their devotion to these issues and their fellow college athletes.”

Whether college athletes can ever be considered school employees is a thorny topic. There are multiple issues in front of the National Labor Relations Board, including a complaint against USC and the Pac-12; a unionization effort by the men’s basketball team at Dartmouth; an unfair labor complaint against Notre Dame; and a federal lawsuit in Pennsylvania filed by former Villanova football player Trey Johnson.

All of it could lead to college athletes being granted employee status, though court battles are assured.
what are these kids gonna do when the schools return the favor based on their own argument?
None of these kids are a name beyond high school recruiting without the college's and their brands. NIL exists for other than students via already established law.
If they want to keep headed towards a contract route, which is what they are walking into, let em.

Congrat's on you NIL deal. You owe us this.
 

Mean Purple

Active Member
I don't understand why "the powers that be" can't get together and construct a system that fits within the legal landscape rather than just bleeding out slowly one court-rom loss at a time.

Turn the CFP into football's governing body; CFP conferences split off to a completely separate sub-division with no cross-over games against non-CFP conferences; players are eligible for the players' association if they have a scholarship offer from a CFP conference school; players are employees of the CFP and subcontractors of the schools; transfer/eligibility limit rules can be enforced, as can contracts and even restriction on ineligible add-ons labelled NIL (i.e. booster cash handouts).

You probably need to cut football off from the other sports, and what that does to Title IX sports and non-revenue sports can be readily imagined. Oh well. If people want to fund women's swimming for its own sake they may do so. Sooner or later all of these lawsuits will force this to happen. If you wait for it to be imposed piecemeal it will be a bigger mess than it needs to be.
because they don't have to.
if agents think they are gonna out play large universities, even small colleges, on intellectual property (which I doubt they think that and just feed the kids whatever), they are gonna be rudely awakened.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
as long as these kids want tv and NIL deals. Because it is their only avenue to that much coverage.
I meant from a fan's perspective. They've removed everything that assures any kind of competitive balance between teams. Not that they always had a lot, but what was there has been removed.

Imagine what would happen to the NFL if there were no draft, no salary cap and every player could freely switch teams every year. How long before interest starts to fade? Never? No matter how [ Finebaum ]ty the product gets, people will still follow along?
 

Mean Purple

Active Member
I meant from a fan's perspective. They've removed everything that assures any kind of competitive balance between teams. Not that they always had a lot, but what was there has been removed.

Imagine what would happen to the NFL if there were no draft, no salary cap and every player could freely switch teams every year. How long before interest starts to fade? Never? No matter how [ Finebaum ]ty the product gets, people will still follow along?
people would still watch. some people just like football. and no matter how messed up it gets, its better than soccer.

Just like politics, it will still draw a crowd. mainly because people don't have anything else to do.

We have continued to see an increase in western sports/rodeo/cutting/cowhorse coverage and viewership and money in recent years. You want to talk about the "wild west", nothing touches how that biz runs. The more stuff changes, the more it stays the same.
Trust me, after all this yellowstone nonsense, we wouldn't mind some of the new eyes going back to whatever it was they were doing.
 

JogginFrog

Active Member
Was I reading the same article as the rest of you? The employee/unionization issue is a separate deal (and a much more problematic one). I'm glad to see the athletes taking initiative to move beyond just getting their cut. A players association will move college sports beyond the current wild west environment and provide some value to the many athletes who currently get little or nothing from NIL. Health protection and some standardization on the low end of deals is what the NCAA should have been advocating for all along.
 
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