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<blockquote data-quote="Houston Frog" data-source="post: 567218" data-attributes="member: 10809"><p>QUOTE(Longfrog @ Jun 2 2010, 12:33 PM) [snapback]567209[/snapback]</p><p>True, but ERA isn't that great either. Here are WHIPs, Opp's SLG and K rates for the three starters (racing through this at lunch, so my math could be off)...</p><p></p><p>__________WHIP____SLG___K/AB</p><p>Purke______1.12___0.299__0.338</p><p>Max_______1.18___0.343__0.242</p><p>Wink______1.20___0.411__0.208</p><p></p><p>All three are awesome, but Purke stands out as clearly the most dominant.</p><p></p><p>I understand that there are a lot of advanced metrics being used, and I look at all of them as well, but I look at WHIP, K's/AB, and some of those other metrics as more of an indicator for how good a pitcher's "stuff" is (and a lot of the times, a better indicator of how well their game will translate to the next level). Obviously, a guy like Purke is going to dominate in those types of categories (that's why he was a 1st round pick out of high school), but that doesn't necessarily mean he's our ace. I'd guess Brad Lidge had better K's/AB numbers than Greg Maddux, but that doesn't mean he's a better pitcher.</p><p></p><p>I understand that ERA isn't the be all end all of pitching stats, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it isn't a good stat. How many runs a pitcher allows is pretty important, no matter what anyone says. Moral of the story, you can't look at any one stat and determine who is the best pitcher, but if I had to take one, I'd probably still take ERA, with WHIP being a close second (and win/loss record would be towards the bottom).</p><p></p><p>All that being said, those numbers you put up for Purke are pretty incredible, kid is filthy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Houston Frog, post: 567218, member: 10809"] QUOTE(Longfrog @ Jun 2 2010, 12:33 PM) [snapback]567209[/snapback] True, but ERA isn't that great either. Here are WHIPs, Opp's SLG and K rates for the three starters (racing through this at lunch, so my math could be off)... __________WHIP____SLG___K/AB Purke______1.12___0.299__0.338 Max_______1.18___0.343__0.242 Wink______1.20___0.411__0.208 All three are awesome, but Purke stands out as clearly the most dominant. I understand that there are a lot of advanced metrics being used, and I look at all of them as well, but I look at WHIP, K's/AB, and some of those other metrics as more of an indicator for how good a pitcher's "stuff" is (and a lot of the times, a better indicator of how well their game will translate to the next level). Obviously, a guy like Purke is going to dominate in those types of categories (that's why he was a 1st round pick out of high school), but that doesn't necessarily mean he's our ace. I'd guess Brad Lidge had better K's/AB numbers than Greg Maddux, but that doesn't mean he's a better pitcher. I understand that ERA isn't the be all end all of pitching stats, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it isn't a good stat. How many runs a pitcher allows is pretty important, no matter what anyone says. Moral of the story, you can't look at any one stat and determine who is the best pitcher, but if I had to take one, I'd probably still take ERA, with WHIP being a close second (and win/loss record would be towards the bottom). All that being said, those numbers you put up for Purke are pretty incredible, kid is filthy. [/QUOTE]
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