Will TCU "low ball" men's hoops in the BE?

[TopFrog]

Wonder if TCU will do what is necessary, expenditure-wise, to compete with men's hoops in the BE. That's an arm's race that would be hard to win without the right commitment. Will we look to be dominant in football, baseball, compete in women's hoops, but just look the other way for men's hoops? Kinda hard with the current lack of support for trustees perhaps to justify spending what will be necessary to compete in what is the mini-NBA.

Thoughts?

 

[oldscribe]

Wonder if TCU will do what is necessary, expenditure-wise, to compete with men's hoops in the BE. That's an arm's race that would be hard to win without the right commitment. Will we look to be dominant in football, baseball, compete in women's hoops, but just look the other way for men's hoops? Kinda hard with the current lack of support for trustees perhaps to justify spending what will be necessary to compete in what is the mini-NBA.

Thoughts?

For now I agree with your last sentence...hard to justify the kind of spending on bkb that would be necessary....may be different in a few years.

 

[TopFrog]

For now I agree with your last sentence...hard to justify the kind of spending on bkb that would be necessary....may be different in a few years.

Would be interesting to see how CJC's contract stacks up to coaches in the BE, at least the average to below average programs. Certainly TCU is not going to pay to get a top, top, top coach.

 

[Wog68]

We will know soon enough. If change doesn't happen at the end of the season, the powers that be will have told us what direction we are going (or not going).

 

[TopFrog]

We surely don't owe CJC $2.5M if he were to be released at season's end. If so, that would be a factor in giving him one or two more years, which is likely to happen anyway regardless, so I think we should all just settle in and expect that.

But three years and he has the worst team in the MWC? Really?

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Wonder if TCU will do what is necessary, expenditure-wise, to compete with men's hoops in the BE. That's an arm's race that would be hard to win without the right commitment. Will we look to be dominant [compete] in football, [be dominate] in baseball [because nobody in the NE cares about college baseball], compete in women's hoops, but just look the other way for men's hoops? Kinda hard with the current lack of support for trustees perhaps to justify spending what will be necessary to compete in what is the mini-NBA.

Thoughts?

Corrected.

And one good recruiting class and/or one great coach is all TCU needs. WVU was worse than TCU is today back in 2002. But with more and more exposure in BE hoops, they slowly built their way there. It will be gradual...but the Big East makes teams better. Compare USF in 2005 to their team today. They aren't in the top of the conference, but they are competing and are a program on the rise.

 

[purpleshades]

Hard to justify not spending money on a sport that should and is your second highest revenue producing sport.... That's not even to mention that we are moving to the big east. We are absolutly retarded if we ignore that program. We are leaving money on the table!

 

[purpleshades]

I'm sure part of us moving to the big east there was some type of mutual agreement that we would put some focus on our mens basketball program.

 

[TopFrog]

Corrected.

Uh, we'll do a little better than compete in BE football. And at least BE baseball is better overall than the MWC.

Yeah, with some extra fins hopefully we could go out and spend a little more to get a good coach like WVU did in getting Huggins, though it's his alma mater so that helped land him.

But TCU needs to spend money on its arena, and probably pay more to get a better coach. The financial stakes are rising, and we just don't have the justifiable support, at least at this time.

Perhaps the program can slowly grow into being a decent program in the BE, but we are far, far away ...

 

[Nick Danger]

The past couple of years I've noticed a subtle change in the way TCU recruits for its "minor sports" such as T&F, tennis, golf, etc. There seems to be a Strive for Mediocrity approach where the Frogs mainly look for recruits that can score some points at the various conference meets, as if being competitive in the conference sits at the top of their Goals Pyramid! Gone are the days, in track for example, where TCU would recruit in order to achieve success on a national level in a few select events, such as the sprint and relay events. Now, just about every news release about a new track recruit has some kind of statement that says that "they should help us score some points at the conference meet" as if scoring an additional 3 or 4 points by coming in 4th at the conference meet as a senior is the best they expect out of this kid.

I'm sure that TCU has to "call its shots" so-to-speak on which teams it can afford to fully support and which ones are given a mandate of "do the best you can" (as long as you don't [create a sub-atmospheric pressure] too badly). Two big questions are, how far up the athletic food-chain will this mandate extend and to what extent will public support/interest influence a reshuffling of the food-chain itself!

 

[HG73]

Corrected.

And one good recruiting class and/or one great coach is all TCU needs. WVU was worse than TCU is today back in 2002. But with more and more exposure in BE hoops, they slowly built their way there. It will be gradual...but the Big East makes teams better. Compare USF in 2005 to their team today. They aren't in the top of the conference, but they are competing and are a program on the rise.

I agree with your comments about basketball (not football). Also remember we are in line for a LOT more $$ in the Big East, especially when the TV contract gets redone. That will help pay for the great coach if CJC doesn't pan out. And basketball revenues (attendance) should increase with the Big East (certainly couldn't get any lower). Our basketball affiliation with the MWC has been a real downer, no close teams, no natural rivalries, nothing. We'd have been better off in CUSA for basketball.

Again, the MWC was great for us in football, will really miss them. But basketball and baseball couldn't have been in a worse conference IMO.

 

[Boomhauer]

Wonder if TCU will do what is necessary, expenditure-wise, to compete with men's hoops in the BE. That's an arm's race that would be hard to win without the right commitment. Will we look to be dominant in football, baseball, compete in women's hoops, but just look the other way for men's hoops? Kinda hard with the current lack of support for trustees perhaps to justify spending what will be necessary to compete in what is the mini-NBA.

Thoughts?

I think we should use all of that extra TV and BCS money we will get from the Big East build a new bball arena and hire a new coach. "If you build it, they will come.". Look what the new stadium did for our baseball program. Assuming after all that we start selling DMC out on a regular basis it will pay for itself.

 

[froginaustin]

The past couple of years I've noticed a subtle change in the way TCU recruits for its "minor sports" such as T&F, tennis, golf, etc. There seems to be a Strive for Mediocrity approach where the Frogs mainly look for recruits that can score some points at the various conference meets, as if being competitive in the conference sits at the top of their Goals Pyramid! Gone are the days, in track for example, where TCU would recruit in order to achieve success on a national level in a few select events, such as the sprint and relay events. Now, just about every news release about a new track recruit has some kind of statement that says that "they should help us score some points at the conference meet" as if scoring an additional 3 or 4 points by coming in 4th at the conference meet as a senior is the best they expect out of this kid.

I'm sure that TCU has to "call its shots" so-to-speak on which teams it can afford to fully support and which ones are given a mandate of "do the best you can" (as long as you don't [create a sub-atmospheric pressure] too badly). Two big questions are, how far up the athletic food-chain will this mandate extend and to what extent will public support/interest influence a reshuffling of the food-chain itself!

At least one T&F coach was dangerously close to paying his players, particularly international players, if he was not in fact doing just that. Better to be back in the pack and running a legal program, than the other way around.

 

[sandiegojack]

One issue in this is that the Big East usually sends MANY teams to the NCAA tournament every year. So TCU should get some nice money out of this even if we finish in last place, which is probably. Maybe we can use that money to get the program going in the right direction.

sdj

 

[gohornedfrogs]

Wonder if TCU will do what is necessary, expenditure-wise, to compete with men's hoops in the BE. That's an arm's race that would be hard to win without the right commitment. Will we look to be dominant in football, baseball, compete in women's hoops, but just look the other way for men's hoops? Kinda hard with the current lack of support for trustees perhaps to justify spending what will be necessary to compete in what is the mini-NBA.

Thoughts?

Top, it's my understanding that, even with our low coaching salaries, our basketball budget is already in the middle of the pack, and possibly even the top third, of the BE.

It's not that we aren't spending money -- we need to spend it wisely.

 

[SnoSki]

Hard to justify not spending money on a sport that should and is your second highest revenue producing sport.... That's not even to mention that we are moving to the big east. We are absolutly retarded if we ignore that program. We are leaving money on the table!

Agreed 100%... Basketball can be good here, and it can bring out fans, and it can be a jewel in tue crown of our athletic department. It takes a coach who is able to recruit the texas talent pools that are deep just like football and baseball, and it takes fans who are willing to invest time and money into a program that is below average in the meantime. without fans at least in the seats we won't get better recruits. More people attended my high school's womens ball games than we pull into dmc...and recruits from around here know it.

 

[sandiegojack]

This is revisiting an issue from the latter stages of the ND era, but think of the lost reveneue when there are thousands of empty seats for all our conference games. The only decent crowds are when BYU brings out the local mormons. At $ 15 a seat, the lost revenue is significant when there are in the area of 5.000 empty seats.

sdj

 

[HtownOrange]

From an outsider's perspective, TCU will get their proverbial butts kicked for a few years while you upgrade. However, with the serious Texas talent and the east coast exposure, I wold expect that TCU puts together a decent team. Most likely headed to the tourney on a regular basis.

The extra dollars from the Big East and the potential of drawing crowds to see the Big East teams come to your home court should improve your bottom line, which should be reinvested, at least in part, to basketball.

Perhaps a measure could be made if we knew how many Big East alumni are in and around DWF, with a breakdown by school.