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Sangria Wine

Sangria Wine

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TemCatFrog71 said:
Now the Ass-hat sports writers who, out of spite have, kept Rose out of the Hall of Fame while he was still alive will now let him in after his passing!
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I came here to post exactly the same thing. I’ve always felt that after he died the [ Arschloch]s who kept him out would suddenly let him in. I think some people just did not want to let him have the satisfaction of getting into the Hall of Fame.
 
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Hemingway

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Atomic Frawg said:
That man loved baseball. And the olds who kept him away from it should be ashamed. He was contrite, and MLB should have shown enough grace after 35 years to understand that their message was sent. Amazing how so many celebs get forgiven for being involved in actual crimes, but not Pete Rose.
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I wish being great at sports meant you’re a good dude. However, he seemed very greedy in every aspect of life. Gambling on his own games, to how he treated others, selling autographs at Cooperstown during his teammates HOF inductions. And then there is the Fosse play during the all star game, I mean he ruined another player’s livelihood at an all star game.
 
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Atomic Frawg said:
That man loved baseball. And the olds who kept him away from it should be ashamed. He was contrite, and MLB should have shown enough grace after 35 years to understand that their message was sent. Amazing how so many celebs get forgiven for being involved in actual crimes, but not Pete Rose.
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Yeah, I can understand not letting him manage or be involved in MLB in any way, but he should absolutely be in the HOF.
 
tcudoc

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Hemingway said:
I wish being great at sports meant you’re a good dude. However, he seemed very greedy in every aspect of life. Gambling on his own games, to how he treated others, selling autographs at Cooperstown during his teammates HOF inductions. And then there is the Fosse play during the all star game, I mean he ruined another player’s livelihood at an all star game.
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I don’t think he had evil intent on the Ray Fosse play but he just seemed to not have a low gear. He went full bore in all situations. The Fosse play was unfortunate and I didn’t care for it. But I don’t think it was done with intent to injure.
 
hometown frog

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One of my favorite baseball quotes is from Pete Rose: “I’d run thru fire in a gasoline suit to play baseball”. And I’ll be damned if I dont personally feel the same way about that game to this day.
 
NovaScotiaFrog

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Atomic Frawg said:
That man loved baseball. And the olds who kept him away from it should be ashamed. He was contrite, and MLB should have shown enough grace after 35 years to understand that their message was sent. Amazing how so many celebs get forgiven for being involved in actual crimes, but not Pete Rose.
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I tend to think the HOF writers are a bunch of hypocritical jerks, the blacklist of Bonds for example is egregious. But in Rose's case, I think his ban is justified.

I think he loved playing baseball, but if he truly loved the game he would not have broken what everyone knew was the number one rule in the game.

And he wasn't contrite. Remember "I'm not going to admit to something that didn't happen" with Gray in 1999? He agreed to his ban but then denied it for decades, then made a halfway confession while still lying (when his autobiography came out and he admitted to betting, but said he never on his team which was a lie), and then supposedly came clean to admit that he bet on the Reds but only to win (which is still problematic since he wouldn't bet when certain pitchers were starting). Then he moved to Vegas and bet on baseball pretty much every day for a decade, which I know is totally legal but definitely didnt help his case. His lack of contrition and taking steps to rehabilitate the issues that led to his ban is probably the number one reason he was never reinstated.

He is one of the most competitive players of all time, the greatest hitter other than Ichiro, and he absolutely deserves to be banned for life from baseball and the HOF in my opinion. He messed with the game, and messed with it in the one way that everyone knew would get you the boot.
 
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gohornedfrogs

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NovaScotiaFrog said:
I tend to think the HOF writers are a bunch of hypocritical jerks, the blacklist of Bonds for example is egregious. But in Rose's case, I think his ban is justified.

I think he loved playing baseball, but if he truly loved the game he would not have broken what everyone knew was the number one rule in the game.

And he wasn't contrite. Remember "I'm not going to admit to something that didn't happen" with Gray in 1999? He agreed to his ban but then denied it for decades, then made a halfway confession while still lying (when his autobiography came out and he admitted to betting, but said he never on his team which was a lie), and then supposedly came clean to admit that he bet on the Reds but only to win (which is still problematic since he wouldn't bet when certain pitchers were starting). Then he moved to Vegas and bet on baseball pretty much every day for a decade, which I know is totally legal but definitely didnt help his case. His lack of contrition and taking steps to rehabilitate the issues that led to his ban is probably the number one reason he was never reinstated.

He is one of the most competitive players of all time, the greatest hitter other than Ichiro, and he absolutely deserves to be banned for life from baseball and the HOF in my opinion. He messed with the game, and messed with it in the one way that everyone knew would get you the boot.
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I’m probably being overly contrarian, but didn’t Bonds “mess with the game” too?
 
dawg

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NovaScotiaFrog said:
I tend to think the HOF writers are a bunch of hypocritical jerks, the blacklist of Bonds for example is egregious. But in Rose's case, I think his ban is justified.

I think he loved playing baseball, but if he truly loved the game he would not have broken what everyone knew was the number one rule in the game.

And he wasn't contrite. Remember "I'm not going to admit to something that didn't happen" with Gray in 1999? He agreed to his ban but then denied it for decades, then made a halfway confession while still lying (when his autobiography came out and he admitted to betting, but said he never on his team which was a lie), and then supposedly came clean to admit that he bet on the Reds but only to win (which is still problematic since he wouldn't bet when certain pitchers were starting). Then he moved to Vegas and bet on baseball pretty much every day for a decade, which I know is totally legal but definitely didnt help his case. His lack of contrition and taking steps to rehabilitate the issues that led to his ban is probably the number one reason he was never reinstated.

He is one of the most competitive players of all time, the greatest hitter other than Ichiro, and he absolutely deserves to be banned for life from baseball and the HOF in my opinion. He messed with the game, and messed with it in the one way that everyone knew would get you the boot.
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+400.

"(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible."

Rule 21 has been posted in every MLB clubhouse since the Black Sox scandal in 1919. Everyone knows gambling is the Cardinal Sin in baseball and the penalty it carries. Rose knew it, ignored it, then lied about. Yes, Rose was a great player who overperformed his talent through sheer force of will.

But no one is greater the game.

 

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