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Morning after: take-aways thread

Limey Frog

Full Member
How are we feeling? More important, what are y'all thinking? Hopefully we're doing that.

Here are my main thoughts:

Offense
--Hoover is what we thought. His ceiling is somewhat high; he's not a bad QB, can be a good one but is unlikely to bloom into a great one.
--It was nice to see Hejny get a series in a role similar to how K-State used Avery Johnson last year. In the transfer portal era you've got to get your talented true frosh QB involved from the get-go. That was smart.
--I like Cam Cook a lot. He makes too many cuts and wants to get to the outside every time. Better defenses will eat his lunch if he doesn't cut that out and hit the hole after one cut/step, but he can fix that.
--Trey Sanders appears to be one of those tragic cases of a 5* recruit who was at the absolute peak of his development potential at age 18. We may as well put his face on milk cartons at this point, which is sad. Given the short yardage situations we found ourselves in all night I would have thought to have seen him feature more. He came out, carried it, dropped it (thankfully in Bech's direction) then went AWOL again. That doesn't bode well.
--Pope John Paul's fumble and Savion's 3rd quarter dropsies aside, our receivers look terrific. If the rest of the offense allows it, Savion can have a huge year. Bech and JP are both the kind of inside receiver everyone wants, and we've got two of them. Tight ends were great, too. We will win the national championship of racking up passing yards between the 20-yard lines comfortably.
--Offensive line... I don't know. It is what we thought. They looked shaky at points, did enough overall, and I have no idea how much worse it might have been against a better team. But no one got hurt, we're 1-0 and they've got two more weeks to gel/learn before we face a better team. On and up.

Defense
--We had how many tackles for loss? Almost ten, I think (I haven't looked at the box score yet). I suspect Stanford isn't very good (though they have some good players), but we didn't get pressure last year against anyone, good, bad of otherwise.
--Hodges looked like a vintage TCU linebacker. He's healthy, he was everywhere, I bloody love him.
--The Deal brothers are fantastic.
--JaTravis Broughton looks like a guy who came out of a program led by Kyle Whittingham, the best coach in college football. He was my "man of the match" (as we say in another kind of football). He was the star.
--Overall, this defense should be good enough, if we stay comparatively healthy, to keep us in the game against everyone on our schedule. They were a big improvement in terms of talent, positioning, scheme, etc.

Special teams
--Even highly rated true freshmen kickers will miss kicks if you put them in unnecessarily close games in their first college-level start, so maybe don't get in a close game.
--Major Everhart's injury looked bad. Yes, he walked off the field, but you don't just lie down in the middle of a punt return when there's open grass in front of you unless you pulled something you don't want pulled.

Coaching
--The red zone troubles are in Johnny Finger-tape's DNA. As I said when we hired him, I don't care for the Briles scheme. It's not my style, though it can work. When it doesn't work, it tends not to work in frustrating and self-destructive ways. Briles is a bad red zone coach, which is bad because he's in charge of us scoring. If you love yards but hate points, he's your guy.
--Lord Almighty, how stupid were we last night? We had butter-fingers, poorly-times sportsmanship problems and personal fouls... We looked so undisciplined. We hired Sonny for all the ways he isn't GP, and I still think that was necessary and the right decision. A lot of those ways are good, but we also have to live with the bad ones. The image of him having a little chat with Abe Camara (I'm pretty sure it was Abe--again, from memory and it was very far past my bedtime) after the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the tackle for loss was telling. GP would have been drowning him in spit and the "conversation" would have lasted five minutes. Can a Dykes team have fundamental discipline as its core DNA? It's not looking good right now. How/if he turns that around will, for me, tell us everything we need to know about the head coach we have. Talent-wise, we should have beaten Stanford by thirty last night. That bodes ill for winning bigger games against better teams. They scored touchdowns on at least two drives that were sustained by at least one automatic first down penalty in situations where we either had or surely would have gotten them off the field otherwise. Then we fumbled it away on the goalline. That's a 21-point swing. We should have won handily.

Bottom line
We won on the road in game one against a non-gimme opponent on the far side of the country at a disadvantageous kickoff time. I like a lot of players on this team, and we're talented enough to do very well against our schedule. Briles's offensive scheme and play calling are a hard ceiling on what this program will achieve. If we don't cut out the penalties and mistakes by the time we play UCF, I'm afraid the DNA of this program is insufficient on discipline. That comes from the top. This question is Sonny's Waterloo: he must stamp that $%^! out or he isn't an elite head coach.
 
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An-Cap Frog

Member
I think I saw enough on defense to believe that that is worth a 1-2 game improvement over last year's record. Every game, except 1 will most likely be 1 score games. Hopefully the aggressiveness sticks and this is a 7-8 win team. Redzone offense is always tough because of the field suppression. I'd like to see out bigger backs get some carries near the goal. Heck, have a Deal brother in as a lead blocker.
 
I assumed Hejny would be a redshirt and I think a redshirt can only play four games. So still a bit perplexed why they would play him in this game when it was precarious. Seems one would play him serious minutes when more in control to maximize his redshirt minutes in the permitted four games.

But maybe they aren’t redshirting him - the thought being others are coming behind him, like Schobel, so they want to move Hejny through in four years, which might be the best strategy for attempting to keep all QB’s happy and committed. But Hoover has two more eligble years, so assuming he starts those two then Hejny gets only one if not redshirted.

I may be overthinking this.
 
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An-Cap Frog

Member
I assumed Hejny would be a redshirt and I think a redshirt can only play four games. So still a bit perplexed why they would do it in this game when it was precarious. Seems one would play him serious minutes when more in control to maximize his redshirt minutes in the permitted four games.

But maybe they aren’t redshirting him - the thought being others are coming behind him, like Schobel, so they want to move Hejny through in four years, which might be the best strategy for keeping all QB’s happy and committed. But Hoover has two more eligble years, so assuming he starts those two then Hejny gets only one if not redshirted.

I may be overthinking this.
This is the product of the transfer portal. If you are a 4-star you going to get playing time early.
 

An-Cap Frog

Member
QB Daniels had runs of:
15
31
2
4
2
20
29
0
1
2
8
0
6

If we had limited the 3 biggest runs to average runs the team gives up 70 less yards.
 

tmcats

Active Member
i watched until tcu tied it at seven. i thought the frogs looked far superior on both sides of the ball athletically. hoover was spinning it. not sure how the game was that close at the end?

stanford crowd didn't disappoint. it looked just as predicted, not at all unlike when we visited and they had a running back named mccaffrey.

anyway, a win is good. a loss would have been draw-dropping.
 

y2kFrog

Active Member
i watched until tcu tied it at seven. i thought the frogs looked far superior on both sides of the ball athletically. hoover was spinning it. not sure how the game was that close at the end?

stanford crowd didn't disappoint. it looked just as predicted, not at all unlike when we visited and they had a running back named mccaffrey.

anyway, a win is good. a loss would have been draw-dropping.

This night road games are tough, especially at the beginning of the season. Heck it took the 22 team into the fourth quarter to dispense of 1-11 Colorado. Three reasons it ended up closer...1) a 4 personal foul drive 2) One short field given on a fumble 3) One fumble inside the 5 yard line. Heck the 2 turnovers alone decreased our margin by at least 10 and maybe 14.
 
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82 Frog Fever

Active Member
It’s troubling that we still appear to be completely inept at running the ball.
This offense depends on a solid rushing game. Forcing Hoover’s arm to bail us out against decent P4 teams won’t work week after week.
Idk what we have to do, but somehow we need to open some holes.
Otherwise, we’ll be left with a similar offense to last year.
Can‘t get the rushing yards we need on 3rd down and can’t score TDs in the red zone.
 
It was clear that Stanford was stacking the box to stop the run. We took what they gave us, and Hoover was up to the task. I thought Hoover looked great. A couple bad throws.

Thought the defense was aggressive, and lived in the cardinal backfield in the second half. It was so nice to see pressure from the D-line. Sorely lacking last year.

Mistakes were horrific, and that kept the game close. But the better team won last night.
 

JogginFrog

Active Member
Almost all the bingo card errors were checked off quickly -- drops, red zone gaffes, penalties after the play.

But wait--did I see right that our O-line had ZERO false start penalties in a first game? And our D-line had no encroachments (despite a couple of close calls)? Impressive and encouraging. At least two units played with discipline.
 

Froggy Style

Active Member
It’s troubling that we still appear to be completely inept at running the ball.
This offense depends on a solid rushing game. Forcing Hoover’s arm to bail us out against decent P4 teams won’t work week after week.
Idk what we have to do, but somehow we need to open some holes.
Otherwise, we’ll be left with a similar offense to last year.
Can‘t get the rushing yards we need on 3rd down and can’t score TDs in the red zone.
A QB that doesn't run much doesn't open up the running game...so you have to pass more. Luckily, he looks pretty good and is making pretty good decisions. Would like to see them extend the routes and lose the mindset of 0-3 yard passes until you are losing.
 

Atomic Frawg

Full Member
I share a lot of the sentiments that have already been shared. All-in-all, QB1 was solid. Stanford didn't stop the offense. The offense stopped the offense. Going into halftime with only 26 rushing yards was certainly something I'm not accustomed to seeing from our team, but the rushing begrudgingly got better. IMO, we tried to attack the edges a bit too much. I would have liked to see more of those hand-offs go between the tackles.

After their first drive where we had a 3rd and 19, a 3rd and 16, and a 3rd and 17 (or something like that) all get converted and turned into a TD I wasn't the best person to be around. But my preference is to coach down aggression than to have to coach it up, ie give me a horse that wants to run fast rather than one I have to beat. At the end of the night, absent the quarterback keeps, the defense won me over. We had plenty of TFLs, plenty of pressures, and plenty of PBUs.

Red Zone play calls are still a problem. We really need to get better there. But I want to bring attention to the time management at the end of the game. We were still playing fast on the penultimate drive after after we got into the red zone. We should've gone full on K-State during that time and snapped every ball inside of five seconds. We left them WAY too much time for their last possession.
 
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Prince of Purpoole II

Reigning Smartarse
I share a lot of the sentiments that have already been shared. All-in-all, QB1 was solid. Stanford didn't stop the offense. The offense stopped the offense. Going into halftime with only 26 rushing yards was certainly something I'm not accustomed to seeing from our team, but the rushing begrudgingly got better. IMO, tried to attack the edges a bit too much. I would have liked to see more of those hand-offs go between the tackles.

After the first drive where we had a 3rd and 19, a 3rd and 16, and a 3rd and 17 (or somwthing like that) all get converted and turned into a TD I wasn't the best person to be around. But my preference is to coach down aggression than to have to coach it up, ie give me a horse that wants to run fast rather than one I have to beat. At the end of the night, absent the quarterback keeps, they won me over. We had plenty of TFLs, plenty of pressures, and plenty of PBUs.

Red Zone playing calls are still a problem. We really need to get better there. But want to bring attention to the time management at the end of the game. We were still playing fast on the penultimate drive after after we got into the red zone. We should've gone full on K-State during that time and snapped every ball inside of five seconds. We left them WAY too much time for their last possession.
As to time management on the last drive, your post assumes a TCU score was inevitable. It was not.

They needed that touchdown and to get it the Frogs had to run their offense. I get the desire to run the ball and milk time but I really can’t complain about the way they handled that situation, especially considering how the defense had performed
 
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