Gameday Thread, B12 Opener: TCU vs UCF; Sponsored by Community National Title

[Frogs1983]

He is a physical corner in a position group that was devastated by injuries. Plus he was going against their #1 all night in single coverage. I can't complain about his performance. I just wish he was more of a ball hawk. I though with just a little bit more situational awareness that he could have gotten a pick. Most of the time he is in phase with the receiver.

His Coach needs to teach him to turn his head and play the ball, instead of running head first into the receiver after the pass has been thrown. Of course when you're constantly being beaten by the receiver and your chasing from behind, it's hard to do.

 

[bmoney214]

His Coach needs to teach him to turn his head and play the ball, instead of running head first into the receiver after the pass has been thrown. Of course when you're constantly being beaten by the receiver and your chasing from behind, it's hard to do.

I said it during the game in this thread, look for the damn ball. If he turns around on the one pass down their sideline he could have at least knocked it down, if not intercepted it. I think it was right after we went up 28-7.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

His Coach needs to teach him to turn his head and play the ball, instead of running head first into the receiver after the pass has been thrown. Of course when you're constantly being beaten by the receiver and your chasing from behind, it's hard to do.

His technique is fine. That is what they teach.

 

[TxFrog1999]

You can't control the clock if it's up the middle (bounce outside), up the middle (bounce outside), up the middle (bounce outside), punt. The offense, for not getting the ground game going, did a good job and only had to punt 3 times all game (and all three were beautiful).

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

UCF running the ball well, winning the line of scrimmage, while TCU not yet showing they can run. Thank UCF for inexplicably deciding to throw once they were inside the 10 yard line. Hoover’s quick start and Savion’s great great endzone catch saving the day - the line of scrimmage a huge question mark in the second half. The Knights wearing the Frogs down and I expect more pressure on Hoover.

I rarely post on game threads and usually not negative - I hate the negative panic reactionary game threads. But with all the exuberance on this one I thought I would point out what seemed apparent.

I posted the above two first-half summary thoughts at halftime and was criticized for being “negative.” @Frog-in-law1995 @AroundWorldFrog Turns out it was a bridge from the all exuberant posting of the first half to the “negative panic reactions” of the second half comments - this game thread the greatest example of flip-flop emotional reactions based on the score.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

You can't control the clock if it's up the middle (bounce outside), up the middle (bounce outside), up the middle (bounce outside), punt. The offense, for not getting the ground game going, did a good job and only had to punt 3 times all game (and all three were beautiful).

Not sure if you are referring to the second to last drive of the game for the Frogs, but the sequence went something like this:

Throw to the flat to Dabney after a run fake for no gain.
Screen pass to Cook, in which the lineman blocked nobody but themselves, for 2 yards.
Short crosser to Williams for 6 yards.

 

[TxFrog1999]

Not sure if you are referring to the second to last drive of the game for the Frogs, but the sequence went something like this:

Throw to the flat to Dabney after a run fake for no gain.
Screen pass to Cook, in which the lineman blocked nobody but themselves, for 2 yards.
Short crosser to Williams for 6 yards.

No doubt that was a critical series and two of those play calls were bone headed. I’m talking about the proposed idea that when up by 21 you just run the ball. Considering we had no ground game that would mean if we had just tried to pound the ball from that point forward the result would have been a similar 3 and out on every series.

 

[This Ain't Chopped Liver]

From Steven Johnson—
The Knights averaged 8.4 yards per play in the second half and while there were a few chunk plays in the air, most of those yards were picked up on the ground. And to make matters worse, UCF didn’t even feel the need to adjust its gameplan after falling behind three scores.

“I don’t think they did anything differently at all,” Dykes said after being asked about potential second half adjustments by UCF. “They ran exactly the same plays they did in the first half in the second and that’s what running the football does for you.”

There was some window dressing by UCF on offense, like motion and running run-pass-options to freeze the linebackers before handing it off, but ultimately this was simply the Knights lining up and using their physicality to snatch a game they didn’t have control of until the final 60 seconds.

With Ollie Gordon, Devin Neal and Utah still remaining on the schedule, this won’t be the first time the Horned Frogs will be challenged by an elite rushing attack. The fact that TCU failed in this test isn’t completely on the defense.

The defense did its job and got the offense the ball back with under five minutes remaining in the game and the Horned Frogs maintaining a 34-28 lead. TCU ran three straight passing plays and was unable to pick up the first down.

The play calling in that scenario was in an indictment of a TCU rushing attack that only managed 58 yards on 17 attempts.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

No doubt that was a critical series and two of those play calls were bone headed. I’m talking about the proposed idea that when up by 21 you just run the ball. Considering we had no ground game that would mean if we had just tried to pound the ball from that point forward the result would have been a similar 3 and out on every series.

The first two plays were effectively runs, since we couldn't run the ball. Both took time off the clock and that screen really should have gotten a first down. In hind sight, I would have gone screen on 1st, the pass to Savion on 2nd, and then a stick route on 3rd for a first down.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

This game was not a bad loss, but the way we lost was bad.

 

[TxFrog1999]

This game was not a bad loss, but the way we lost was bad.

Agreed. I'm definitely not up for moral victories, but last year's team gets blown out at home against this UCF team and the 2021 team would have suffered a similar embarrassment.

 

[4 Oaks Frog]

We are in big trouble if we continue with this non-existing running game. I say try Richardson at running back. He does not go down easy, he is smart enough to know the plays and he wants to win. Plus he can catch the ball.

They need to let Hoover run. There were several times he could have taken off for a good gain. Our RPO game will never work if our opponent knows our QB is not going to keep the ball and take off. A complete non-threat…

 

[Limey Frog]

They need to let Hoover run. There were several times he could have taken off for a good gain. Our RPO game will never work if our opponent knows our QB is not going to keep the ball and take off. A complete non-threat…

Maybe, but we clearly just can't run the ball consistently. Like it or not we're going to live and die by the passing game this year; it's what we have. So if he gets hurt, we're up a suspiciously brown-water creek with no escape route.

 

[An-Cap Frog]

They need to let Hoover run. There were several times he could have taken off for a good gain. Our RPO game will never work if our opponent knows our QB is not going to keep the ball and take off. A complete non-threat…

Maybe we learned from previous recent seasons that even though a running QB is good for both the pass and run game, you are increasing your risk long-term if you don't have a decent backup QB.

 

[bmoney214]

Maybe we learned from previous recent seasons that even though a running QB is good for both the pass and run game, you are increasing your risk long-term if you don't have a decent backup QB.

But our backup QB is from the sec so he has to be good right?

 

[An-Cap Frog]

But our backup QB is from the sec so he has to be good right?

It just means more!

 

[An-Cap Frog]

Someone still believes in this team...

 

[Frawg]

But our backup QB is from the sec so he has to be good right?

Team he left is much better this year without him so…