Can someone calm my fears?
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Frog-in-law1995
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Don't care if Baylor has one more win against a ranked team. If we both end up with the same # of ranked wins, the difference will be us beating WVU vs. them beating us. We lose that comparison every time. We want Baylor to have a bad loss - something none of the top 6 currently have. That's what's holding Baylor back, and rightfully so. Committee chairman even mentioned it.f_399 said:
Your fears are well-founded. You should go and curl up in a corner somewhere and suck your thumb and pull your ear until Jan 9. You will likely die of dehydration, but no one will care. Your desiccated carcass will be discovered years later and people will ender what in the world happened. But they won't wonder for long, air with very much intensity. Your passage from this earth will scarcely be noted.
Frog-in-law1995 said:
The chairman was asked why TCU over Baylor, his answer?
TCU has 2 wins vs. ranked opponents while Baylor has 1. TCU had a better resume and they did not have to use head to head.
Lets say at the end of the season. Wins over ranked teams:
TCU - Kstate
Baylor - Kstate, TCU
THAT in itself may equalize the "resume" or "body of work"
Then they go to head to head. TCU is screwed.
Wouldn't this look better:
TCU - Kstate, WVU
Baylor - Kstate, TCU
TCU still has a better resume, no need for head to head.
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Then by no stretch of the imagination is Baylor a winner because Baylor is the one that got scheissed in the anus the one and only time they were asked to the prom. Because of your soft jelly-filled team, the scheissing UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA is the de facto reigning Big 12 champions this year. Not the University of Florida or Florida State...you sh!t down your leg against the University of CENTRAL scheissing Florida. For that reason alone NOBODY wants Baylor taking up space in the playoffs this year. People want a Big 12 team with teeth and balls like TCU to come in and smash the SEC in a way that we all know weakass Baylor will never be capable of.BearCon said:
TCUownstheBig12
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When the early polls came out, wasn't a 1-loss Oregon higher ranked than a 1-loss Arizona despite the head-to-head loss? If so, where was the controversy?
Frog-in-law1995
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He also pointed out that TCU and Alabama both had top ten losses. They're paying attention to things like that.f_399 said:
No, you're forgetting that the committee is very mindful of Baylor's bad loss.
How on earth does that look better for TCU?
DeuceBoogieNights
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Hard to rack up yards when you are returning kicks and interceptions for touchdowns...
Matthewavp
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No guarantee that KSt stays in the top 25 with a loss to Baylor. I personally think Baylor loses one of their next 3.
Frog-in-law1995
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But Baylor's going to have better wins than us no matter what. Even if we both have the same number, one of theirs is over a playoff contender.f_399 said:
Here's how I see it: the committee is evaluating several criteria...W/L record, SOS, good wins, and bad losses are the 4 they've specifically identified. Assuming BU and we win out, we'll be tied at 11-1, so only SOS, good wins and bad losses will be used to distinguish us. We win on SOS. They win on good wins (even if we both have 2, beating a top 4 team > beating WVU). So that only leaves bad losses. If WVU remains one for Baylor, we'll win 2 categories to Baylor's 1. If Baylor doesn't have a bad loss, we each win 1 category and H2H breaks the tie.
as one of the analysts was explaining last night...by the committees own rules, they look at all games played and body of work up through the current week.
So again, by the committees own rules, they have already considered any head-to-head debate, who lost to who debate, who beat who by more points (OU) debate, and strength of schedule....and they still have TCU 3 spots ahead of Baylor. With Baylor only having K-State left to really make a statement, how (logically speaking) can the committee possibly move BU ahead when TCU has already dominated K-State? They can't!
Assuming both teams win out, then the only way Baylor passes TCU is because: a) the committee folds under outside pressure or b) the committee doesn't follow the rules they established for themselves.
Of the possible arguments that can be impacted by the remaining games:
- Strength of schedule: TCU will always have the advantage, regardless of what Minn does
- K-State game: TCU dominated the game so this would be a push assuming BU does the same.
Again...the head to head debate and who has the worse loss debate is already factored into the rankings so that is a push.
Personally....I hope both make it...
So again, by the committees own rules, they have already considered any head-to-head debate, who lost to who debate, who beat who by more points (OU) debate, and strength of schedule....and they still have TCU 3 spots ahead of Baylor. With Baylor only having K-State left to really make a statement, how (logically speaking) can the committee possibly move BU ahead when TCU has already dominated K-State? They can't!
Assuming both teams win out, then the only way Baylor passes TCU is because: a) the committee folds under outside pressure or b) the committee doesn't follow the rules they established for themselves.
Of the possible arguments that can be impacted by the remaining games:
- Strength of schedule: TCU will always have the advantage, regardless of what Minn does
- K-State game: TCU dominated the game so this would be a push assuming BU does the same.
Again...the head to head debate and who has the worse loss debate is already factored into the rankings so that is a push.
Personally....I hope both make it...
Frog-in-law1995 said:
Using that same theory, TCU will always have a better loss then Baylor.
I guess it can go both ways with the same effect?
WVU ranked makes TCU's wins look better but still not as good as Baylor's
WVU not ranked makes Baylors loss looks better but still not as good as TCU's
Depends which side you want to look stronger then the other, better wins or better losses.
From watching the commentary, its looks like they value quality wins over quality losses. I may be wrong.
texas_sicilian
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Guys, again - H2H matters as a tie breaker when all things are equal. To have all things be equal at the end of the season:
- Baylor would have to have equal ranked wins. Maybe.
- Baylor would have to have an equal SOS. Maybe, but their OOC can't be helped.
- Baylor would have to have an equal quality loss to TCU. Not going to happen.
- Baylor would have to have equal ranked wins. Maybe.
- Baylor would have to have an equal SOS. Maybe, but their OOC can't be helped.
- Baylor would have to have an equal quality loss to TCU. Not going to happen.
- Baylor would have to have more ranked wins. 90% chance (Minn or WVU need to be ranked)
- Baylor would have to have a stronger SOS. Maybe, but their OOC can't be helped. 0% chance (just not happening, this is TCU)
- Baylor would have to have a better loss than TCU. Not going to happen. 0%
- Baylor would have to have a stronger SOS. Maybe, but their OOC can't be helped. 0% chance (just not happening, this is TCU)
- Baylor would have to have a better loss than TCU. Not going to happen. 0%
