Hoover has played better than AD and Tre when they were sophomores. It's not even close and he is being asked to carry the offense, too.
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Jet Set Frog
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Tom Brady doesn’t have good games when he’s running for his life the entire time either. On snaps when Hoover has just a little bit of time in a good pocket, he’s very good.
LisaLT
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Hoover is obviously not a duel threat QB, but some of this throws that have resulted in TO's were not a bi-product of his running for his life or not having enough time to throw. It's been a mixed bag there. I'm just saying he has had turnover problems (INTs and fumbles), that have been a factor in the outcome of certain games. The Houston game comes to mind.
And I hope he continues to play well.
BrewingFrog
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Hoover is under strict orders not to run. Our Crack Staff doesn't want him taking hits, so taking off and gaining 4-5 yards is not an option.
Thankfully, he has lately disregarded their advice on a few plays.
bmoney214
OUCH!!!
She asked Sonny what are the positives to take away from that run and the foundation it created for TCU moving forward. That foundation is 100% gone! We're about to be back in the conference USA and wac days if things don't get turned around going into next season
What did you call our staff from 2016-2021? Where are those guys coaching today?
East Coast
Tier 1
That staff was certainly stale, but interestingly enough, our 3 best coached units are from Gary's holdovers, Gonzales, Kelly, and Meachum. And no, I don't think Hoover is coached well (that's another story).
I thought Dan Sharp was a decent DL coach, far better than what we have now. And everyone complained about Anderson, but who among wouldn't take his OL's over what we have seen the last 2 years?
I don't have a problem with people being critical of the staff we have now, to a degree. I have a problem with those that think our recent "decline" is mostly this staff's fault. Dykes inherited an absolute mess. That's why I question the "Crack Staff" comment. Our prior staff consisted of the 3 guys you mentioned who are still on staff, an OC who frankly stunk, and a bunch of other guys who could barely find jobs anywhere. That was truly a "Crack Staff" that GP employed. They took talent that was apparently good enough to win a CFP playoff game and could barely go .500 with it.
Our problem is talent, not coaching. And it's hard to assemble talent when you have so many people in the program who are stabbing you in the back behind the scenes, literally hoping you fail.
FrogBall09
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How long is the fact that Dykes sucks as a coach GPs fault?
So stupid
In your constant reminder that we were bad before Dykes - does it ever occur to you that is why we fired Gary?
And therefore Dykes should be given the treatment - we didn’t fire a coach to hire the same crappy results and the NC run long gone
Our on field performance, recruiting, coaching on and off the field, booster and fan support and national image are all in a free fall - but hey I am sure that is all still GPs fault
LVH
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I've said it all along - the main issue is that the program has become soft.
Even under the bad final years under Patterson, I never really thought we were soft. I still thought we had a tough team, just offensively challenged.
This program should have never drifted away from its defense first mentality.
The absolute low point of our loss the other night was when Baylor was just trying to center the ball for a game winning field goal and still was able to run right up the middle for 12 yards.
Even under the bad final years under Patterson, I never really thought we were soft. I still thought we had a tough team, just offensively challenged.
This program should have never drifted away from its defense first mentality.
The absolute low point of our loss the other night was when Baylor was just trying to center the ball for a game winning field goal and still was able to run right up the middle for 12 yards.
Mean Purple
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He has made some great plays when he has left the pocket and used his feet. He is NOT a pocket qb. They need to let him do what he does.
82 Frog Fever
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Correct. Most of TCU’s problems stem from almost -0- contributing junior/seniors on the roster from GP’s last 2 recruiting classes, resultantly Dykes has patched the gaping holes as best he could via the portal.
Forced to patch via the portal is sketchy, especially when your NIL is below average. In order to have just in time player inventory with quality, you must hit on nearly 100% of portal signings. Making it worse, the Dykes Dec. ‘22 portal signings were awful because of the CCG game occurring at the same time.
Dykes has restarted HS recruiting, and is doing well, but we have a 2 year gap from GP. Unfortunately, the new players must grow for 2 years to fill the gap, so we wait.
2025 will be the big telling year for whether or not TCU is headed in the right direction. 8 wins and a bowl win would be minimum expectations.
However, if Dykes doesn’t win 2 out of the next 3, I think it would be fair for TCU to at least look and see if a really good alternative might be available. For instance, I’d definitely talk to Lincoln Riley.
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Some of it is actually Gary's fault, for the way he handled his firing and got people to pick sides. Everyone isn't pulling in the same direction anymore, and a good chunk of that is boosters that got their feelings hurt because the new guys didn't kiss the ring. In any event, Dykes inherited a mess.
Yeah, we fired Gary because for an extended time at the end of his tenure his teams weren't good, and probably most importantly, his players quit on him.
We were in the NCG less than 2 years ago. I think a NCG appearance at a school like TCU buys a few years, and it's not like he's doing any worse than the guy that preceded him. Got a chance to finish the season out strong and have a good season next year. We'll see, if we continue to struggle he'll be replaced soon enough.
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Hoover's job description: Your job will be to outscore the other team. Your offensive line will be inconsistent at best, you will have good receivers but no run game and you will not get any help from your defense.
Under those circumstances he has done a hell of a job.
82 Frog Fever
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If you view everything in the short term; then you focus on immediate issues and can’t see the forest for the trees.
GP in a Power conference didn’t win with any more consistency than our current coaches. In fact, 40% of GP’s seasons were losers.
The fact is our last 3 years on average have been much better than they were under GP on a Power schedule.
GP’s Power 5 coaching record was 72-49 .595. That’s 7.4 wins per season
GP coached 9.75 power seasons and 4 of those were losing seasons.
Dykes Power 5 coaching record is 23-13 .639. That’s 8.4 wins per season.
Just like F. Style stated. The QB is not the problem. Or I think he did not crit J Hoover. It is more of the "system" You cannot have play calls set up where OL are attempting to block for more than 5 seconds. Where is AJ Ricker/Briles/Dikes on this??? Ricker needs to offer me an apprenticeship and get TFO.
If your defensive Line is being run on for 200 yards by the 3rd quarter your doomed. This happened with UCF. The fact the staff did not attempt to correct this is fire able on the spot. Your Defense is going to get worn down based on time of Possession. Sheeiitt, Markis Deal Spitting in 4th Q at Tech should tell you almost everything you need to know.
Are you on synthesized Peyote?? I don't want A Riley anywhere near this program. Alive and Awake come on now !!!
82 Frog Fever
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Bwaaaaahahahaha Garrett Riley 13-2 with #10 ranked offense at TCU.
gohornedfrogs
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I agree that two consecutive poor years may be too soon, but what I’ve seen gives me little hope that he can elevate us to 11-1 or better seasons every few years. Nothing he does gives off that confidence. I never felt that way about GP. Maybe it’s unfair, because there may never be another GP. But it’s going to require us all to adjust expectations, and I’m not sure we’re ready to do that.
You can't have it both ways. Dykes player's during the NC run were largely not his recruits.
