It's overrated against spread offenses that are passing oriented and are generally trying to get their guys in space. I don't think it's all that overrated against teams with a 230 lb bull of a QB and a north-south physical mentality.
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It's overrated against spread offenses that are passing oriented and are generally trying to get their guys in space. I don't think it's all that overrated against teams with a 230 lb bull of a QB and a north-south physical mentality.
CountryFrog
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I'm not sure anyone understands the point you're trying to make with Boykin given the fact he's one of the top 3 or 4 QB's in TCU history. You called him unpolished and that his time here felt like blind luck. Blind luck all the way to a 23-3 record in 2 seasons. And your point is that he was just coaching himself I guess. You can't point to players who were failures as proof of poor coaching AND point to players who were massively successful and say that they're also proof of poor coaching.
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OK, let's just agree to disagree about Boykin. I think our overall track record in developing QBs as of late has been very poor, bordering on awful. I'll leave it at that.
Eight
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they very much need help at running back because sam won't last the year with a similar work load.
the problem is keontay is hurt worse than many realize and he is very very limited, young might be back in a few weeks, whittington's problem with the sports hernia has been a recurring problem and i wouldn't be surprised he misses the season
add a legit running back to that offense and they would be a sob to stop.
Bruce Berry
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Yes Trevontae Hights is our best receiver. Don't worry about Jalen Reagor. Way overrated. Won't be a threat at all.
11 tcumaniac, 43 minutes ago
Maniac messing with them on their board-atta boy.
Lets send Joe 2001 over there and really scheiss with them.
11 tcumaniac, 43 minutes ago
Maniac messing with them on their board-atta boy.
Lets send Joe 2001 over there and really scheiss with them.
Limp Lizard
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TT every year under Kingbury and Oky State has at least a good offense. A QB comes and goes, another takes his place. Under this system we should not have the down years we are having. Either that or every year certain schools have THE QB OF A LIFETIME that some assume Boykin was. He was very good in a good offensive team. Every year our defense is at least good and considering how miserable the offenses were in 2012-2013, 2016 and 2018 it is amazing the defense was in the top 100.
We are at the point where we should expect at least a good offense, too. Not a horrid on, especially since the defense gets them the ball more often than most defenses.
We are at the point where we should expect at least a good offense, too. Not a horrid on, especially since the defense gets them the ball more often than most defenses.
Limp Lizard
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Too bad the players and the coaches won't believe that. Many of the fans very well may.
BigDataFrog
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Just from a numbers perspective Boykin was on par with Mahomes and RG3 for their college careers.
TDs responsible for: Boykin 114, Mahomes 115, RG3 111
QBR for final 2 college seasons: Boykin 152.9, RG3 165.5, Mahomes 152.2
In addition Boykin and RG3 both had more than 2000 career rushing yards while Mahomes had around 900.
Mayfield may have been a significantly better college QB than Boykin but I think Mahomes, Boykin, and RG3 had pretty similar college careers.
TX_Krötenechse
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but realistically there about about 10-15 programs in the country that can realistically compete for a national championship in any given year, and TCU isn’t one of them. Lightning can theoretically strike from outside that group, but it hasn’t happened in 20+ years. In the BCS and CFP era, only 11 programs have won championships - that’s in 22 years. If you go back to 1988, you can add 6 more if you include all co-champions. 1990 when Colorado and GT were co-champions or 1991 when Washington was a co-champion were the last time that any school that isn’t a blue blood has won the championship. Florida and Nebraska won quite a few of those, too, and it’s hard to see either of them repeating at the moment.
All this to say ... if you only focus on the championship, then you picked the wrong team to follow. Because while in 2014 and 2010 I firmly believe we could’ve won the natty, we didn’t get the chance, and I don’t know if lightning can strike three times.
Froggish
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Stats obviously don't tell the whole story and offensive schemes can certainly mask the physical and congnitive abilities of a QB. I thought Boykin was a very good college QB who was made great by the system he was in...Mahomes and RG3 put up massive numbers that in the end didn't lead to all that much on filed success...The line between being a good QB doesn't necessarily follow the trajectory of a stat line.
We are about to face a QB that has already thrown 8-10 TDs in 2 games...That guy is 1-1 with a loss to Nevada
BigDataFrog
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No doubt stats don't tell the whole story but QBR does a pretty good job measuring a QBs overall performance (which Boykin was pretty similar to Mahomes/RG3) and Sindelar has a career 128 QBR.
Anyone can say that RG3 and Mahomes were better college QBs than Boykin but numbers are the only way we have to objectively compare them. And stats wise Boykin is on par with those guys. Also I don't think anyone would say Boykin system was any more QB friendly than RG3 or Mahomes system.
Also football is such a team oriented game I think the QBs winning % has a lot less to do with how good a college QB someone is than their QBR.
SuperBarrFrog
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Boykin was maybe my favorite player to ever watch at TCU and was awesome. After the tortilla tip game I came away thinking “our guy is amazing, but that tech QB is even better.”
We honestly had a much better chance under the old format. We finished 2nd or 3rd in the country one year having only played a few P5 teams, that could never happen now. Now, to win a national title you have to lose one game at most in the regular season, win your CCG against presumably a very good to great team, and then win TWO more games back to back against the real national powers.
I've made the point before, but expanding the playoffs makes it harder for teams like TCU to actually WIN a national title. Because the more teams there are, the less chance you have of "backing in" to a title, and that's a heck of a lot easier than beating 2 or 3 blue blood national powers in a row. And let's face it, that option was kind of there before the old BCS system was blown up. It was really there prior to the BCS when a BYU could win it. Almost no way in hell that could happen today.
jake102
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Disagree on Boykin and heavily agree on our QB development. Total garbage. But we gave offers to Sawyer, Muehlstein and Wooten who had serious question marks so that’s a bad start
I agree with the all caps WIN part of your statement. Not only do you have to do everything you mentioned in conference but then you have to win a semi final on top of the championship game. However, the path to have the opportunity is certainly easier or more attainable. Yea we finished 2nd or 3rd but the BCS was NEVER going to put us in the game. In what years from 2014 to present does TCU get in over the two teams that played for the national championship? At least in those years there are two more spots to have the chance. So yes to win it all you have to have a miraculous season and win an extra semi-final game. But the realistic path to have the opportunity is far and away more attainable than the old system.
Agreed. The opportunity is obviously easier, and will become even easier when they expand the playoffs (which I think will happen pretty soon). Actually winning a title is much, much harder now.
TX_Krötenechse
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BUT SAWYER HAD AN OFFER FROM BAMA AND WOOTEN WAS THE BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE SEVENTH GRADE TEAM HE PLAYED FOR
