Frog-in-law1995
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Starting to think Eight needs change his avatar back to that purple dinosaur.
Okay... this was 8 years ago and an opinion piece? Not sure how this is relevant?
did you read it?
two lines really stand out to me.
1) "No, TCU hasn’t drawn huge crowds, but when you’re playing New Mexico in a pro market, that’ll happen. Get Auburn on campus and it’s a sellout. And if they need more seats, well, glorious, 100,000-capacity Cowboys Stadium is just a few miles away."
are you scheissing kidding me?
2) "As far as television, the best that can be said is TCU doesn’t hurt in the Dallas market. It doesn’t help much at this point either. The Cowboys rule and a half dozen other schools have far, far more impact. That isn’t likely to change.
It also doesn’t matter. The TV money will be huge no matter what."
curious if lsu or atm are on tv at the same time tcu is playing who draws the bigger ratings in the metroplex?
This. vvvv The same premises set forth are still viable today, if not more so. TCU has shown it has the mettle to compete, and it does so, still, with recruits who have fewer starsies. But more so than that, it's real estate. That means location, location, location. DFW is the largest market in the state, and a top five market nationally. Having the SEC in DFW would bolster their TV contracts and give them access to the two hottest recruiting areas in the state - Houston and DFW. There is a reason the SEC tries to play as many games in JerryWorld as possible. They want a presence here. We are that presence. If your school isn't named Oklahoma or Texas, you'd better hope it's named TCU because no new realignment is going to want to walk away from this market. That would be insanity.
Sorry, I seemed to have missed the memo about Aggie running the SEC. Could you please provide a link? TIAHahahaha. I love TCU but no team in the Big 12 is going to the SEC but maybe OU if the Big 12 broke apart. Texas A&M would never allow another Texas team to join the SEC. Period. I'm 100% right on this. End of the SEC discussion.
Plus, SEC really doesn't need anyone. And SEC never doubles up on a state that didn't already start as a founding member. Now with Pac, ACC, or Big 10 there might be something to it. Hopefully Big 12 stays around for a long time with OU and UT as members.
Sorry, I seemed to have missed the memo about Aggie running the SEC. Could you please provide a link? TIA
BTW, I am not advocating for a move to the SEC. I believe the notion of its impossibility by some of you is flat out wrong.
Sorry, I seemed to have missed the memo about Aggie running the SEC. Could you please provide a link? TIA
BTW, I am not advocating for a move to the SEC. I believe the notion of its impossibility by some of you is flat out wrong.
We the big 12 need to be courting Arizona, Arizona State, Nebraska and BYU and get this thing to 14
Its possible I guess in theory.
*3.1.2 Granting of Membership. Membership may be granted by invitation of the Conference at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least three-fourths of the members is required to extend an invitation for membership.
Download the bylaws: https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0721/FINAL%20Bylaws%207.18.14.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjrxNyf4pPjAhWGXc0KHajdCGoQFjALegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3lNr_MnwLN9CNIvNc9XjQ5&cshid=1561986073800
But this is why it won't happen.
This is a great article of why:
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/...-to-block-texas-from-ever-joining-sec-072915/
I figured that article is what you were referencing, and, as you know, it is conjecture. The reason Aggie got an invite is moreso because of the Houston market and access to Texas recruiting and less because they are Aggie. If Aggie was located in Odessa or El Paso they would still be in the Big 12. Houston's market mean's cable money, and cheddar makes things better. DFW is a top five national market, and there is one P5 team represented here (although Techtards outnumber us). If TCU were in the SEC it would cripple the Big 12, or what would've been the Big 12. That's why we got the invite from the Big 12. Had the SEC been in DFW and Houston, all other state schools including Oklahoma would've been struggling to get/retain Texas recruits, and we and other SEC schools would have greater access to them. It's our real estate that makes us so valuable...no knock on Coach P. It's the money. Nevertheless, this is all about what if speculation, so I'll just sit back and enjoy our Big 12 run as long as it lasts and see what happens when/if it happens. But we have more value than folk realize imo. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just following the money.
Location had nothing to do with the Big 12 back then, only politics.It's not the article for all they reasons why, but you wanted links so really that is the only article that talks about it in some way. If TCU is serious of making an SEC run in the future they better start making very strong relationships with A&M, Missouri, Arkansas and all the SEC admin and boosters. At the same time making great connections in the other conferences, just in case. Location is a very small part in which we saw when the SWC broke up and Big 12 left TCU and SMU behind. We have to learn the lessons of the past and we have in a lot of ways with commitment, but so has the others.
I would say the decision to add A&M was more....I figured that article is what you were referencing, and, as you know, it is conjecture. The reason Aggie got an invite is moreso because of the Houston market and access to Texas recruiting and less because they are Aggie. If Aggie was located in Odessa or El Paso they would still be in the Big 12. Houston's market mean's cable money, and cheddar makes things better. DFW is a top five national market, and there is one P5 team represented here (although Techtards outnumber us). If TCU were in the SEC it would cripple the Big 12, or what would've been the Big 12. That's why we got the invite from the Big 12. Had the SEC been in DFW and Houston, all other state schools including Oklahoma would've been struggling to get/retain Texas recruits, and we and other SEC schools would have greater access to them. It's our real estate that makes us so valuable...no knock on Coach P. It's the money. Nevertheless, this is all about what if speculation, so I'll just sit back and enjoy our Big 12 run as long as it lasts and see what happens when/if it happens. But we have more value than folk realize imo. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just following the money.
Tech did not break 3M three times.
TCU garners more media notice in Houston and Austin/SA than Tech does.
Texas Tech Football has never had any national success. All Tech has ever done is keep chipping away at the successful programs in the state.
According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/748033/college-football-tv-ratings/
Tech only broke 3 mil once last year.
Day, game (conference) (network) Rating Viewers
September 29, 2018 West Virginia vs. Texas Tech (B12) (ESPN2) 0.7 1,147,000
September 22, 2018 Texas Tech vs Oklahoma State (B12) (FS1) 0.51 868,000
September 15, 2018 Houston vs. Texas Tech (AAC, B12) (FOX) 0.7 1,079,000
September 1, 2018 Ole Miss vs. Texas Tech (SEC, B12) (ESPN) 1.2 1,929,000
October 27, 2018 Texas Tech vs. Iowa State (B12) (ESPN2) 0.55 885,000
October 20, 2018 Kansas vs. Texas Tech (B12) (FS1) 0.3 472,000
October 11, 2018 Texas Tech vs. Texas Christian (B12) (ESPN) 0.8 1,233,000
November 3, 2018 Oklahoma vs. Texas Tech (B12) (ABC) 1.9 3,135,000
November 24, 2018 Baylor vs. Texas Tech (B12) (FS1) 0.21 333,000
November 10, 2018 Texas vs. Texas Tech (B12) (FOX) 1.6 2,679,000
Total through 10 games (site didn’t provide the K. St game stats) 13,760,000
TCU
Day, game (conference) (network) Rating Viewers
September 7, 2018 Texas Christian vs. Southern Methodist (B12, AAC) (ESPN2) 0.7 1,076,000
September 15, 2018 Ohio State vs. Texas Christian (B1G, B12) (ABC) 4.2 7,328,000
September 22, 2018 Texas Christian vs. Texas (B12) (FOX) 1.7 2,887,000
September 29, 2018 Iowa State vs. Texas Christian (B1G) (ESPNU) - 366,000
October 11, 2018 Texas Tech vs. Texas Christian (B12) (ESPN) 0.8 1,233,000
October 20, 2018 Oklahoma vs. Texas Christian (B12) (ABC) 1.7 2,488,000
October 27, 2018 Texas Christian vs. Kansas (B12) (FS1) 0.19 325,000
November 3, 2018 Kansas State vs. Texas Christian (B12) (FS1) 0.24 477,000
November 10, 2018 Texas Christian vs. West Virginia (B12) (FS1) 0.39 728,000
November 17, 2018 Texas Christian vs. Baylor (B12) (FS1) 0.23 405,000
November 24, 2018 Oklahoma State vs. Texas Christian (B12) (FOX) 1 1,615,000
Total through 11 games. 18,928,000
If you add in the bowl game
December 26, 2018 Texas Christian vs Cal (Cactus) (ESPN) 1.6 2,700,000
Total 21,628,000
Both teams had six 1 Mil + games
Seems like both teams really have roughly similar viewership ratings.
This. vvvv The same premises set forth are still viable today, if not more so. TCU has shown it has the mettle to compete, and it does so, still, with recruits who have fewer starsies. But more so than that, it's real estate. That means location, location, location. DFW is the largest market in the state, and a top five market nationally. Having the SEC in DFW would bolster their TV contracts and give them access to the two hottest recruiting areas in the state - Houston and DFW. There is a reason the SEC tries to play as many games in JerryWorld as possible. They want a presence here. We are that presence. If your school isn't named Oklahoma or Texas, you'd better hope it's named TCU because no new realignment is going to want to walk away from this market. That would be insanity.
Could Kingsbury’s being fairly regular on Houston radio have anything to do with his establishing relationships with radio personalities while coaching at UH and A&M?you are right, i miss read the numbers and am wrong, but if you think tcu gets more media notice in houston than tech you are wrong.
kingsbury has been fairly regular on the radio up until his firing and i can't tell you the last time i heard gary down hear.
houston is first and foremost an nfl town and when it comes to talk about college football it is atm, texas, mix of lsu, and then whomever is doing well nationally.
Could Kingsbury’s being fairly regular on Houston radio have anything to do with his establishing relationships with radio personalities while coaching at UH and A&M?
thanks for doing the math and it shows that outside the outlier of the ohio state game tcu and tech drew about the same number of eyeballs.
Tech had a outlier game with the SEC's very own Ole Miss as well. The Rebels had their own head coaching issues at the time too.
TCU Football is the #3 national media darling of the Big 12.
More evidence, it was the networks who decided that TCU was a reasonable Big 12 replacement for a$m.