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FLM: TCU looking for more upsets as No. 2 Houston pays a visit

JogginFrog

JogginFrog

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An-Cap Frog said:
Where do you rank Jamie Dixon among TCU head coaches?
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Among Frog coaches, per Wikipedia...
  • Matty Bell never had a losing season in 6 years in the '20s (.635 win pct) but never won a conference title.
  • Frances Schmidt had the best career record (.750); his teams won 2 SWC titles and 2 runner-ups in the '30s--but he only coached 5 seasons.
  • Buster Brannon has the most wins (205) and most conference titles (4), plus 3 NCAA appearances in his first 11 seasons; had he retired in '59 he might be the choice. But his teams posted single-digit wins in 7 straight seasons in the '60s, dropping his career winning percentage to .442.
And none of the above did their winning in the integration era, so I think they have to be their own category, with Schmidt topping the list.
  • Johnny Swaim won 2 SWC titles and an NCAA Tourney game in his first 5 years, but followed that with a long dry stretch, going only .403 for his career.
  • Jim Killingsworth won 2 conference titles and an NCAA game, going .551 in 8 seasons when Houston was a national force.
  • Billy Tubbs went .618, winning a WAC title and earning 1 NCAA bid and 2 NIT bids in 8 seasons (3 conferences).
  • Dixon has compiled a .603 record in 7+ seasons, with 3 NCAA bids (2 games won) and 2 NIT bids, with an NIT championship. He has more top-10 wins than all other coaches combined...but no winning records in conference play.
Dixon will likely overtake Tubbs on total TCU wins this season. I'd take Dixon both on resume and because his teams have been more competitive against top competition than Tubbs' were, and has a much better record than Killer while playing in the toughest conference in America. Killer's conference championships were great, but it would be hard to give him the nod when Dixon played on both of those teams.
 
This Ain't Chopped Liver

This Ain't Chopped Liver

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Threes—
The Frogs shot 8-15 (53%) from three while the Cougars were only 4-18 (22%). Tennyson made 4-6 and Miller 2-2.

Free Throws—
Uff da - TCU missed 13 of the pesky buggers, 16-29 (55%), while Houston was 9-13 (69%). Udeh was 0-4 and Nelson 4-8.

Houston with only 7 turnovers and collected 7 steals and 7 blocks - wow. TCU with 11 turnovers, 4 blocks and only 3 steals. Houston takes care of the ball.

The Horned Frogs win by one - what a finish.
 
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Deep Purple

Deep Purple

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TopFrog said:
Houston is a heckuva defensive team.
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Houston is a very handsy -- check that , they're downright grabby. Their defense is usually as good as the degree to which the refs allow that much physical stuff. For about 2/3s of the 1st period last night, the zebes swallowed their whistles vs Houston and the Coogs got with almost any kind of contact they wanted.

That inexplicably changed in the last 5-7 minutes when the refs suddenly -- and I mean SUDDENLY -- reversed their approach completely and started whistling illegal contact against Houston as tightly as they had been calling it on TCU since tipoff. That's when UH foul trouble climbed very quickly and TCU made a scoring run to mostly close the gap by halftime.

If you rewatch the 1st period, you can easily spot the exact TCU possession when the refs started calling illegal contact on both teams equally. It was that dramatic a shift in officiating.
 
Dogfrog

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Houston is physical to the extreme. It’s just who they are, which is good. When our guards made a steal they were often immediately knocked down / tackled to prevent the fast break. On one of those hard take down tackles Nelson’s right arm was really hurting, working it as he approached the foul line, then missed both. Houston is a force.
 
An-Cap Frog

An-Cap Frog

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JogginFrog said:
Among Frog coaches, per Wikipedia...
  • Matty Bell never had a losing season in 6 years in the '20s (.635 win pct) but never won a conference title.
  • Frances Schmidt had the best career record (.750); his teams won 2 SWC titles and 2 runner-ups in the '30s--but he only coached 5 seasons.
  • Buster Brannon has the most wins (205) and most conference titles (4), plus 3 NCAA appearances in his first 11 seasons; had he retired in '59 he might be the choice. But his teams posted single-digit wins in 7 straight seasons in the '60s, dropping his career winning percentage to .442.
And none of the above did their winning in the integration era, so I think they have to be their own category, with Schmidt topping the list.
  • Johnny Swaim won 2 SWC titles and an NCAA Tourney game in his first 5 years, but followed that with a long dry stretch, going only .403 for his career.
  • Jim Killingsworth won 2 conference titles and an NCAA game, going .551 in 8 seasons when Houston was a national force.
  • Billy Tubbs went .618, winning a WAC title and earning 1 NCAA bid and 2 NIT bids in 8 seasons (3 conferences).
  • Dixon has compiled a .603 record in 7+ seasons, with 3 NCAA bids (2 games won) and 2 NIT bids, with an NIT championship. He has more top-10 wins than all other coaches combined...but no winning records in conference play.
Dixon will likely overtake Tubbs on total TCU wins this season. I'd take Dixon both on resume and because his teams have been more competitive against top competition than Tubbs' were, and has a much better record than Killer while playing in the toughest conference in America. Killer's conference championships were great, but it would be hard to give him the nod when Dixon played on both of those teams.
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Great analysis. It's not always about winning percentage. I'd argue Dixon has the benefit of easier non-conference schedule, but then is at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to conference games. I would love a SOR for every historical season, but that might be asking too much.

Conference titles might be a good barometer. But Tubbs' WAC title would pale in comparison to a Big XII title. So those are not all created equal as well.

Not saying it will happen, but if TCU wins the conference this year, in a year when the Big XII is far and away the toughest conference, next year's might be just as good or better, would he catapult to the top of the list?

What about a season without a conference title, a third consecutive trip to the NCAAs, and a deep tourney run? Does that get him to the top? Or would he need a final four or championship game appearance?

I feel like Jamie is underappreciated. He's got to have way more wins against top 10 opponents than anyone else. Are we living in the golden age of TCU sports?
 
TopFrog

TopFrog

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y2kFrog said:
It’s one of those plays that the official would have blown the whistle if it had rimmed out but he let it go when the shot went in.
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Nope. You need to call the and one and give us the chance to go up another point. It was not going to be called either way. Miller’s shot danced around for a bit before falling.
 
This Ain't Chopped Liver

This Ain't Chopped Liver

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y2kFrog said:
It’s one of those plays that the official would have blown the whistle if it had rimmed out but he let it go when the shot went in.
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On Houston’s last possession, the ball handler was splitting the defense and appears he had an open lane and just enough time for an easy layup, so if Peavy didn’t poke that ball away, Houston wins by one. Miller should have had a free throw to go up by two.

From ESPN - Miller’s bucket and Houston’s last possession—
 
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R

Rose Bowl

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The only complaint we can have is the free throws. The team plays hard on both ends of the court and when we rebound well we’re tough to beat. Jamie seems to have made some changes to our sets and it loo to be working. Anderson seems to be growing into his role quite nicely.
 

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