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TopFrog

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TCU athletic director urges Congress to step in as NIL deals upend college sports​

Story by Joseph Morton, The Dallas Morning News

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WASHINGTON — A boom in name, image and likeness deals is happening without appropriate guardrails, and Congress must step in to guide colleges and protect student athletes from unscrupulous people, Texas Christian University’s athletic director told lawmakers Wednesday.

“We now find ourselves in a wild, wild West environment across college athletics with little accountability,” Jeremiah Donati testified. “Sadly, there are countless stories of student athletes and their families being exploited, deceived and harmed for others’ personal gain in these NIL pursuits.”

Donati and other witnesses at a House Small Business Committee hearing called for Congress to impose some order on the free-for-all that followed the 2021 Supreme Court decision allowing college players to profit from their own name, image and likeness.

Read the article at https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...as-nil-deals-upend-college-sports/ar-AA1h0Krn
 

froginmn

Full Member
I agree with the general concept that NIL and unfettered transfers will do significant harm to athletics and in many cases to individual participants.

Transferring schools and maintaining progress toward a degree is challenging and I think many schools won't focus on helping with that.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
Rules do need to be established. College sports went from one extreme to the other. Makes me wonder really why the NCAA really exists other for a bunch of people to make bloated salaries.
Based on the information I could find, the NCAA has about 3,000 employees. And about 500 located at their headquarters in Indianapolis

In 2022 nine of those 500 made over $500,000. Two made over $3M. One made over $1M. The total revenue of the NCAA was $1.1B.

In another thread there's a discussion about how if you go to TCU and get a decent degree you should expect to be making well over $500k 15-20 years into your career. Doesn't seem like the pay at the NCAA is out of line at all relative to similar sized organizations. Hell, Roger Goodell makes $64M. I think the NCAA is unfairly targeted in a lot of cases.
 

FrogCop19

Active Member
In another thread there's a discussion about how if you go to TCU and get a decent degree you should expect to be making well over $500k 15-20 years into your career. Doesn't seem like the pay at the NCAA is out of line at all relative to similar sized organizations. Hell, Roger Goodell makes $64M. I think the NCAA is unfairly targeted in a lot of cases.
Cracking Up Lol GIF by HULU

As a teacher, I laugh in the face of this statement. Yes, I know it's my choice, but still...
Spider Man Lol GIF
 

TxFrog1999

The Man Behind The Curtain
Yeah no one has a job where your salary doubles every 5 years; that's an insane statement. Of course, as a professor I can attest that this mentality is prevalent among this current generation. So many of them think going to college is a Field of Dreams pathway to 6 figure jobs right after graduation.
 

4 Oaks Frog

Active Member

TCU athletic director urges Congress to step in as NIL deals upend college sports​

Story by Joseph Morton, The Dallas Morning News

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WASHINGTON — A boom in name, image and likeness deals is happening without appropriate guardrails, and Congress must step in to guide colleges and protect student athletes from unscrupulous people, Texas Christian University’s athletic director told lawmakers Wednesday.

“We now find ourselves in a wild, wild West environment across college athletics with little accountability,” Jeremiah Donati testified. “Sadly, there are countless stories of student athletes and their families being exploited, deceived and harmed for others’ personal gain in these NIL pursuits.”

Donati and other witnesses at a House Small Business Committee hearing called for Congress to impose some order on the free-for-all that followed the 2021 Supreme Court decision allowing college players to profit from their own name, image and likeness.

Read the article at https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mo...as-nil-deals-upend-college-sports/ar-AA1h0Krn
Does the Supreme Court’s decision probit the NCAA from imposing rules and guidelines for NIL and sanctions for violations of such?
I hate to see government get involved. That solution hardly ever works out fair and well for all. Just sayin’
 

froginaustin

Active Member
Does the Supreme Court’s decision probit the NCAA from imposing rules and guidelines for NIL and sanctions for violations of such?
I hate to see government get involved. That solution hardly ever works out fair and well for all. Just sayin’

The opinion should give a clue.

It's not impossible (or maybe it is possible; I haven't read the opinion) that anti-trust issues could effectively block an NCAA rule on an economic matter that would effectively bind the whole "market" of college football.
 

Eight

Member
Does the Supreme Court’s decision probit the NCAA from imposing rules and guidelines for NIL and sanctions for violations of such?
I hate to see government get involved. That solution hardly ever works out fair and well for all. Just sayin’

think the ncaa not having a spine, balls, a clue what is actually happening in the world or any real authority is a bigger impediment to them
 

steelfrog

Tier 1
You people are so frustrating. "Yeah, we need rules to regulate this NIL stuff, it's getting outa hand!"

Question: How about we make rules to restrict where you can work, set conditions about how you work and restrict your ability to work elsewhere?

"Hell no this is 'Merica! Free markets!"

Guess what: The players have been getting screwed for DECADES with the fiction of "amateurism" being used to keep players powerless. Finally they are being treated like every other worker, and you people can't handle it. Well, TOUGH!

Steel could keep lecturing but can't say it better than Justice Kavanaugh in his concurring opinion in NCAA v. Alston -- and note, for those of you who like to say the kids are adequately compensated by getting a free education, the NCAA itself agrees that the kids are not paid market compensation (emphasis supplied by Steel):

"The NCAA acknowledges that it controls the market for college athletes. The NCAA concedes that its compensation rules set the price of student athlete labor at a below-market rate. And the NCAA recognizes that student athletes currently have no meaningful ability to negotiate with the NCAA over the compensation rules. The NCAA nonetheless asserts that its compensation rules are procompetitive because those rules help define the product of college sports. Specifically, the NCAA says that colleges may decline to pay student athletes because the defining feature of college sports, according to the NCAA, is that the student athletes are not paid. In my view, that argument is circular and unpersuasive. The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels. But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood. Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. ... Businesses like the NCAA cannot avoid the consequences of price-fixing labor by incorporating price-fixed labor into the definition of the product. Or to put it in more doctrinal terms, a monopsony cannot launder its price-fixing of labor by calling it product definition. The bottom line is that the NCAA and its member colleges are suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year. Those enormous sums of money flow to seemingly everyone except the student athletes. College presidents, athletic directors, coaches, conference commissioners, and NCAA executives take in six- and seven-figure salaries. Colleges build lavish new facilities. But the student athletes who generate the revenues, many of whom are African American and from lower-income backgrounds, end up with little or nothing. ... Of course, those difficult questions could be resolved in ways other than litigation. Legislation would be one option. Or colleges and student athletes could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues. ... To be sure, the NCAA and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become part of the fabric of America—game days in Tuscaloosa and South Bend; the packed gyms in Storrs and Durham; the women’s and men’s lacrosse championships on Memorial Day weekend; track and field meets in Eugene; the spring softball and baseball World Series in Oklahoma City and Omaha; the list goes on. But those traditions alone cannot justify the NCAA’s decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law. "
 

4 Oaks Frog

Active Member
The opinion should give a clue.

It's not impossible (or maybe it is possible; I haven't read the opinion) that anti-trust issues could effectively block an NCAA rule on an economic matter that would effectively bind the whole "market" of college football.
Makes sense. Then I guess a government appointed board made up of interested and uninterested members charged with drawing up enforceable rules, and regulations is our only option. That could take years. Something has to be done and done soon or college football will be lost forever…IMHO.
 

Wexahu

Full Member
You people are so frustrating. "Yeah, we need rules to regulate this NIL stuff, it's getting outa hand!"

Question: How about we make rules to restrict where you can work, set conditions about how you work and restrict your ability to work elsewhere?

"Hell no this is 'Merica! Free markets!"

Guess what: The players have been getting screwed for DECADES with the fiction of "amateurism" being used to keep players powerless. Finally they are being treated like every other worker, and you people can't handle it. Well, TOUGH!

Steel could keep lecturing but can't say it better than Justice Kavanaugh in his concurring opinion in NCAA v. Alston -- and note, for those of you who like to say the kids are adequately compensated by getting a free education, the NCAA itself agrees that the kids are not paid market compensation (emphasis supplied by Steel):

"The NCAA acknowledges that it controls the market for college athletes. The NCAA concedes that its compensation rules set the price of student athlete labor at a below-market rate. And the NCAA recognizes that student athletes currently have no meaningful ability to negotiate with the NCAA over the compensation rules. The NCAA nonetheless asserts that its compensation rules are procompetitive because those rules help define the product of college sports. Specifically, the NCAA says that colleges may decline to pay student athletes because the defining feature of college sports, according to the NCAA, is that the student athletes are not paid. In my view, that argument is circular and unpersuasive. The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels. But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood. Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. ... Businesses like the NCAA cannot avoid the consequences of price-fixing labor by incorporating price-fixed labor into the definition of the product. Or to put it in more doctrinal terms, a monopsony cannot launder its price-fixing of labor by calling it product definition. The bottom line is that the NCAA and its member colleges are suppressing the pay of student athletes who collectively generate billions of dollars in revenues for colleges every year. Those enormous sums of money flow to seemingly everyone except the student athletes. College presidents, athletic directors, coaches, conference commissioners, and NCAA executives take in six- and seven-figure salaries. Colleges build lavish new facilities. But the student athletes who generate the revenues, many of whom are African American and from lower-income backgrounds, end up with little or nothing. ... Of course, those difficult questions could be resolved in ways other than litigation. Legislation would be one option. Or colleges and student athletes could potentially engage in collective bargaining (or seek some other negotiated agreement) to provide student athletes a fairer share of the revenues that they generate for their colleges, akin to how professional football and basketball players have negotiated for a share of league revenues. ... To be sure, the NCAA and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become part of the fabric of America—game days in Tuscaloosa and South Bend; the packed gyms in Storrs and Durham; the women’s and men’s lacrosse championships on Memorial Day weekend; track and field meets in Eugene; the spring softball and baseball World Series in Oklahoma City and Omaha; the list goes on. But those traditions alone cannot justify the NCAA’s decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated. Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. The NCAA is not above the law. "
The students as individuals don't generate the revenues. The schools do. The players are entirely replaceable.

Again, NCAA athletics might be the only industry in the world where people were getting screwed yet there were thousands if not millions waiting in line to gladly replace those that were "getting screwed". In fact, parents would often spend thousands and thousands of dollars on summer camps and extra coaching, presumably so their kid could then go get screwed by whatever college they attended.

I'm perfectly fine with players getting paid if boosters want to part with their money like that, but "getting screwed"? Nah, not at all.

And the NCAA or colleges (for that matter) can't afford to pay the athletes and adhere to Title IX rules, etc. Most programs would go broke.
 
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