Aren’t they building a “championship” course out there?With the PGA HQ moving to Frisco, I imagine they will try to keep a local tournament on the schedule.
The Byron Nelson is moving to McKinney's Craig Ranch for the next few years.
Aren’t they building a “championship” course out there?With the PGA HQ moving to Frisco, I imagine they will try to keep a local tournament on the schedule.
The Byron Nelson is moving to McKinney's Craig Ranch for the next few years.
I volunteerwont need Marshalls or anyone else meant to deal with the public.
guessing beyond the official scorer and shotlink person - there won't be many volunteers actually on the course.
Range staff, cart staff and tournament operations can be done with all existing club employees and the members that run those committees
score related volunteers are probably the only real volunteers that will be needed
If you look at how the Nike Collegiate tournament is run - it will be basically the same thing.
Won't be surprised if they try and find members to do all of that actually just to limit logistical issues.
Personally, I like golf. I'm a fan of golf. It's a great sport... However, when I go to Colonial, I'm not looking at the golf. ;-)Hot as hell! Also, no fans of course.
Hot as hell! Also, no fans of course.
Fire up the dump trucks full of ice for the greens!
well I missed the first in person presentation due to another commitment and then they had to cancel the last one because of everything going on
But supposedly he is focused on trying to bring back the design philosophy that the course originally had but in a modern equipment world.
You have to be an old man like me to remember some of the early designs we lost - but the most obvious is #8 that used to run almost 90 degrees from the current direction with the green down by the creek. All that was lost when the river authority forced the tee to move and so they moved the green also. Plus the creek has become a trash collector more than a moving water way.
#3 would be changed back to more how it was before the three bunkers were placed inside the dog leg and we lost the protective tree through the fairway
#4 would be adjusted to allow a run up shot to occur again.
#5 I thought I heard they were talking about opening the right side up a little so you could see the river
Lots of other things on the back 9.
My guess is it will be 200 small things that all add up to not feeling like major changes aesthetically but make some big differences in how you play shots off the tee.
The biggest area of interest to me is the vast differences in green complexes that currently exist. Beyond the argument over what "grass" to use is also the fact that Colonial has about 13 really flat greens and about 5 with tiering.
The discussions I have been involved with always wondered if some of the greens were designed by Maxwell and others by Bredemus based on the other courses those two designed independently of each other. Or if Mr Leonard has some say given what he did at Shady Oaks on the front nine when he built it in the 50's.
I’ve always wanted the USGA to get a hold of it for a US Open. Place would be stupidMy folks got swamped in the 1949 flood and it was my understanding that when they did some rerouting of the Trinity some major changes were done to the course at that time. Don’t remember what year they did that but remember some holes, notably 13 and others were changed considerably. Of course it will never happen but if the PGA allowed rough to be grown to Open lengths, the course would be SOB.
It looks like that's the planned venue at least 2021-2025. From SE Dallas to "La Fuga Blanca"With the PGA HQ moving to Frisco, I imagine they will try to keep a local tournament on the schedule.
The Byron Nelson is moving to McKinney's Craig Ranch for the next few years.
I’ve always wanted the USGA to get a hold of it for a US Open. Place would be stupid
That rerouting happened in the 60's, I think. I remember because I did not like what they did to #13. I saw my first Colonial in '64, iirc. I think the changes were made sometime during my undergrad years at TCU.My folks got swamped in the 1949 flood and it was my understanding that when they did some rerouting of the Trinity some major changes were done to the course at that time. Don’t remember what year they did that but remember some holes, notably 13 and others were changed considerably. Of course it will never happen but if the PGA allowed rough to be grown to Open lengths, the course would be SOB.
That rerouting happened in the 60's, I think. I remember because I did not like what they did to #13. I saw my first Colonial in '64, iirc. I think the changes were made sometime during my undergrad years at TCU.
The change was after James Garner played in the Pro-Am. I remember attending a practice round the first time Garner saw #13: He said "You gotta be kidding me!" 13 was a really scary-looking hole well over 200 yards over a "canyon." Number 7 was changed, too, but I don't remember how. BTW, Garner was a very good player, around a scratch handicap shot his age at 68 when he posted a 67..
Furyk told me one time it played harder when the course was “browner” like when he first made the tour because your ball would run right through the fairway into the trees if you didn’t hit an arrow down the middleyea, if today’s players were forced to stay in the fairways it would play so much tougher. That can be said for any course but especially one as tight as this one. Today they can just bomb it beyond the fairway into easy rough so little to no reward for remaining in the fairway, which means shaping it perfectly on most shots.
It was better before the last time changes were made to try and battle the length of the prosColonial is one of the best layouts tee to green in America and changing any of it would be a shame. They need bermuda greens with a few changes to putting surfaces to accommodate firmer conditions but current layout with firm Bermuda greens would see 5-10 under par winning the tournament most years.
I bet he could really poke it down thereThat rerouting happened in the 60's, I think. I remember because I did not like what they did to #13. I saw my first Colonial in '64, iirc. I think the changes were made sometime during my undergrad years at TCU.
The change was after James Garner played in the Pro-Am. I remember attending a practice round the first time Garner saw #13: He said "You gotta be kidding me!" 13 was a really scary-looking hole well over 200 yards over a "canyon." Number 7 was changed, too, but I don't remember how. BTW, Garner was a very good player, around a scratch handicap shot his age at 68 when he posted a 67..
You do realize this is only 2 weeks later than regularly scheduled?
What’s supposed to happen in those two weeks? Earth collides with the sun?
It was better before the last time changes were made to try and battle the length of the pros
Things like moving the bunker on 14 inside the dogleg, the first two bunkers on the left on 3, the green slip change on 8 all didn’t work out
doesn’t need a total redesign but needs a some big tweaks to make it more playable on tour and for the members
Any upgrades to the facilities? Clubhouse?well I missed the first in person presentation due to another commitment and then they had to cancel the last one because of everything going on
But supposedly he is focused on trying to bring back the design philosophy that the course originally had but in a modern equipment world.
You have to be an old man like me to remember some of the early designs we lost - but the most obvious is #8 that used to run almost 90 degrees from the current direction with the green down by the creek. All that was lost when the river authority forced the tee to move and so they moved the green also. Plus the creek has become a trash collector more than a moving water way.
#3 would be changed back to more how it was before the three bunkers were placed inside the dog leg and we lost the protective tree through the fairway
#4 would be adjusted to allow a run up shot to occur again.
#5 I thought I heard they were talking about opening the right side up a little so you could see the river
Lots of other things on the back 9.
My guess is it will be 200 small things that all add up to not feeling like major changes aesthetically but make some big differences in how you play shots off the tee.
The biggest area of interest to me is the vast differences in green complexes that currently exist. Beyond the argument over what "grass" to use is also the fact that Colonial has about 13 really flat greens and about 5 with tiering.
The discussions I have been involved with always wondered if some of the greens were designed by Maxwell and others by Bredemus based on the other courses those two designed independently of each other. Or if Mr Leonard has some say given what he did at Shady Oaks on the front nine when he built it in the 50's.
They were some of hardest holes since the course opened - the last redesign didn’t make them the hardestThe holes you listed are 3 of the hardest holes for the tournament so while the bunkers might be hard for members they probably did what was intended.
The bent greens play way too soft for the PGA Tour that is the biggest reason why guys can bomb drivers all day long. If they got firmer greens hitting fairways would become a lot more important.
All of that is in the long term planAny upgrades to the facilities? Clubhouse?