ShreveFrog
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UTSA does have baseball.
Big 12 in position to poach Pac 12 schools?
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82 Frog Fever
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UTSA has a long way to go before they’re recognized outside of Texas, and possibly thought of as an equal to SMU.
UTSA plays in the minor leagues of the group of 5. In their history, they’ve never beaten a ranked team (0-10) and they’ve never won a bowl game (0-4).
They‘re going to have to prove themselves for at least 3 - 5 years in the AAC before they’re considered for any move up.
This Ain't Chopped Liver
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The Big Ten might prioritize Cal as the next target if they eye more of the PAC. Cal is the most prestigious public university in the country and according to the discussion on the video posted by peacock, Cal has an extraordinary budget of research dollars—the most in the world.
Washington and Stanford are next in research from the PAC but only at about 1/3 and 1/4 of what Cal spends. Only Johns Hopkins spends a bit over 50% of Cal’s research expenditures. Oregon might be last on the Big Ten‘s choice of those four from the PAC; overrated as a target for Big Ten entrance.
Washington and Stanford are next in research from the PAC but only at about 1/3 and 1/4 of what Cal spends. Only Johns Hopkins spends a bit over 50% of Cal’s research expenditures. Oregon might be last on the Big Ten‘s choice of those four from the PAC; overrated as a target for Big Ten entrance.
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Dogfrog
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The days of judging college programs based on what they did in the 1940’s or 1980’s is over. With NIL, nobodies like UTSA have the potential to get very good very quickly. And TV networks are more about potential viewership. I think SMU peaked in the 80’s and has been sliding since. But my comment about choosing UTSA over SMU was more a slap at SMU.
LVH
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They've done a good job supporting UTSA at the Alamodome. UTSA crowds are like A&M sized crowds compared to SMU's.
East Coast
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I don't see how adding those 2 can do anything but drive $$/team down. You can bring them in and have them take less to start with but its still going to be tough to justify.
This Ain't Chopped Liver
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Likely going to happen, unless the Big XII wants to keep SMU home.
Will everybody now think of SMU as a rival again so we can put that debate to rest?
The video peacock posted early today discussed the reasoning of SDSU and SMU.
It was a good breakdown comparison of the P5 and top G5 conferences academic rankings, research spending, athletic prowess and dollars and sense when it comes to evaluating leaving a P5 conference for another. Unless the PAC is gutted by the Big Ten it is very unlikely that a PAC school is leaving for the Big XII.
At one point Houston and TCU were at the top of the list for PAC expansion.
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Gary's Shirtless Revenge
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Just to be clear, PAC doesn’t need to add schools if they are going for a heavy streaming deal, adding inventory is a linear TV play. This is even more true when you consider these two schools specifically, both bringing relatively small fan bases but relatively large TV markets along… That’s telling me they are back to linear as their primary strategy, maybe with some digital, and possibly keeping the PAC Network alive too. As a reminder, ESPN offered to buy it years back and FOX has discussed a co-marketing agreement… they’d need to scale back still, but I could see it being viable long term (with a partner).
Hemingway
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I think the issue has and will always be will UW and Oregon sign a 10+ year GOR?? I just don’t see it. @Gary's Shirtless Revenge
This Ain't Chopped Liver
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Colorado’s research expenditures have increased 300 million annually since fleeing the Big XII for the PAC. They aren’t turning around now unless the Big Ten guts the PAC.
Gary's Shirtless Revenge
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10? Not a chance, but they aren’t asking them to. They want to go with a short deal but I don’t think they’ll be offered one.
Horned Toad
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I’m ok with it. We need more viable football conferences, not less. PAC won’t be a threat to the Big 12 but it may help keep the BIG and SEC from taking over the world.
Eight
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reminds me of hitting certain bars after 1:00 am in my younger days, the selection wasn't great but they were willing
Eight
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no on smu being anything other than a game we play once a year with no real importance outside the metroplex and hasn't been relevant for a conference or the nation in decades
CountryFrog
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Good job, PAC 12. This will excite dozens of people
Big Frog II
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This does nothing to bolster a dying conference.
Chongo94
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The Artist Formerly Known as PhormerPhrog
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That's irrelevant. More people live in the suburbs than the city. The DFW population is pushing 8M.
