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<blockquote data-quote="Mountaineerlegion" data-source="post: 2551634" data-attributes="member: 70911"><p>satis1103,</p><p></p><p>Most of what you said I agree with completely. Your second, and third paragraphs and first sentence of your last paragraph seem indisputable. As for calling my post bull droppings and claiming I'm denying the phenomenon, I think you failed to take my post in context.</p><p></p><p>My issue with his post is it's exactly the opposite of the phenomenon you accurately described. </p><p></p><p>Bonner4Prez said, "Just about every turnover I watched us commit should have been a foul on WV." We turnover opponents 17.8 times per game, good for #3 in the country. You all though would have had one or two turnovers for the entire game but for our cheating and the refs letting us get away with it. That seems unequivocal and doesn't seem to leave room for nuances in officiating </p><p></p><p>Bonner4Prez said, "How long ago were they exempted from playing by the same rules as everyone else?" He's clearly stating we violate the rules but get away with it and have for some time. He didn't say the refs called the game tight or loose as in the phenomenon you described. Additionally, since it's been going on for some time there must have been numerous officiating crews who allow us to violate the rules. Thus my conspiracy sarcasm.</p><p></p><p>I'll gladly have an intellectually honest discussion. I was a small time college baseball pitcher. Every home plate umpire called the strike zone differently. I had an umpire who was giving me a little extra plate low and away. I lived there, used it all day. Conversely, one day I was complaining to my catcher about an umpire who was really squeezing me. My 150yr old coach came over and told me if I wanted I could head back to the lockers to see if I could find the umpire I wanted or I could quit complaining and do whatever it took to get guys out. Was I cheating in the first case? Obviously not, you play to the limits of what the refs will give you. When the refs aren't calling as you would like...suck it up buttercup.</p><p></p><p>As an aside, with all the whining from our new conference mates about how physical we are, you all would not have liked the BE when we were there.</p><p></p><p>Thoughts?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mountaineerlegion, post: 2551634, member: 70911"] satis1103, Most of what you said I agree with completely. Your second, and third paragraphs and first sentence of your last paragraph seem indisputable. As for calling my post bull droppings and claiming I'm denying the phenomenon, I think you failed to take my post in context. My issue with his post is it's exactly the opposite of the phenomenon you accurately described. Bonner4Prez said, "Just about every turnover I watched us commit should have been a foul on WV." We turnover opponents 17.8 times per game, good for #3 in the country. You all though would have had one or two turnovers for the entire game but for our cheating and the refs letting us get away with it. That seems unequivocal and doesn't seem to leave room for nuances in officiating Bonner4Prez said, "How long ago were they exempted from playing by the same rules as everyone else?" He's clearly stating we violate the rules but get away with it and have for some time. He didn't say the refs called the game tight or loose as in the phenomenon you described. Additionally, since it's been going on for some time there must have been numerous officiating crews who allow us to violate the rules. Thus my conspiracy sarcasm. I'll gladly have an intellectually honest discussion. I was a small time college baseball pitcher. Every home plate umpire called the strike zone differently. I had an umpire who was giving me a little extra plate low and away. I lived there, used it all day. Conversely, one day I was complaining to my catcher about an umpire who was really squeezing me. My 150yr old coach came over and told me if I wanted I could head back to the lockers to see if I could find the umpire I wanted or I could quit complaining and do whatever it took to get guys out. Was I cheating in the first case? Obviously not, you play to the limits of what the refs will give you. When the refs aren't calling as you would like...suck it up buttercup. As an aside, with all the whining from our new conference mates about how physical we are, you all would not have liked the BE when we were there. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]
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