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NCAA Statement on Justice Dept. Letter

JimSwinkLives!

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Publish date: May 4, 2011
NCAA statement on Department of Justice BCS letter
"When we actually receive the letter from the Department of Justice we will respond to its questions directly. It should be noted that President Emmert consistently has said, including in the New York Times article, that the NCAA is willing to help create a playoff format for Football Bowl Subdivision football if the FBS membership makes that decision."

- NCAA Vice President of Communications Bob Williams
 

JugbandFrog

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The problem is that they won't because the admins from those schools make too much money off the current system in the form of bonuses and lavish trips because of the current system.
 

Stiff Arm Frog

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The problem is that they won't because the admins from those schools make too much money off the current system in the form of bonuses and lavish trips because of the current system.

No, it's not about the money (schools would make 2-3 times as much in a playoff). It's about power. Schools like Ohio State and Texas want to make damn sure that there is a common conception of superiority and inferiority between the AQs and the non-AQs. Otherwise, those big schools would have to compete with the smaller schools for recruits, viewers, and ticket sales.

Even though they would make more money under such a scenario, it would hurt their egos. This game is all about pride.

Meanwhile, tuition rates for the students are skyrocketing, partly because all schools (not just the big ones) are pouring unfunded millions in unprofitable athletics programs, gambling that athletic prestige will pay off down the line as it has for schools like Boise State. The whole thing is a mess.
 

60s Frog

Tier 1
The BCS is and always has been anticompetitive and designed to help the "bigs" keep the cash and suppress the "mid-majors". That has not changed, even with TCU in the Big East.
If the BCS is found to be in violation of the antitrust laws, then the conferences that put it into place may well have some kind of liability - for consipiring or aiding and abetting a violation.
A treble damage claim might cut into the TV revenues that everyone is planning to spend.
Maybe we can ask to join the MWC and get the Boise game moved to Amon Carter Stadium . . .\ :ph34r:
 

Screaming Flea

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The BCS is and always has been anticompetitive and designed to help the "bigs" keep the cash and suppress the "mid-majors". That has not changed, even with TCU in the Big East.
If the BCS is found to be in violation of the antitrust laws, then the conferences that put it into place may well have some kind of liability - for consipiring or aiding and abetting a violation.
A treble damage claim might cut into the TV revenues that everyone is planning to spend.

Boy did you hit it on the head!!!
 

mtmedlin

New Member
I have a hard time with this...is it really the "Haves" vs the "Have Nots" or is it the "Founders" against the "New Guys". Football wouldnt be popular if it wasnt for many of these old teams. As much as we may Hate on Notre Dame, if it wasnt for them then football wouldnt be where it is. They brought about a national prestige. Catholics from all over the world follow them...and non catholics too. All these teams get paid because they have viewership and fans...though some schools get paid because they are in a conference with these types of schools.
My argument is that the other schools who are making less are doing so for a reason. Economics dictates that where there is demand, price goes up. If Any of the CUSA, MWC, MAC etc. conferences had true demand, they would make more and in turn could invest heavier into their programs, recruit better and compete. They are not competitive because the system is flawed, they arent competitive because they do not have the demand to drive the dollars.
Texas is popular. Like it or not they are going to make money and use it to their advantage and I have no issue with it. We shouldnt hope for some socialist response of making a more level playing field. As in life, some things are more marketable then others and the dollars generated from that marketability will be used to solidify market share. Thats American as it gets.
Look at Nevada. They are on the cusp of losing Division 1 status. Their football program needs to overcome about a Million dollar deficit and they really dont have a way to do it. This is a team that was in the top 10. They won their bowl I belive, yet they do not have the fan support to maintain their status. Its not the systems fault. If they had the fans and support then they would be in the Pac12 and earning some serious cash. The system did nothing to them...their lack of fans and support did it.
 

ShivasFrog

Active Member
... All these teams get paid because they have viewership and fans...though some schools get paid because they are in a conference with these types of schools.
My argument is that the other schools who are making less are doing so for a reason. Economics dictates that where there is demand, price goes up. If Any of the CUSA, MWC, MAC etc. conferences had true demand, they would make more and in turn could invest heavier into their programs, recruit better and compete. They are not competitive because the system is flawed, they arent competitive because they do not have the demand to drive the dollars.
Texas is popular. Like it or not they are going to make money and use it to their advantage and I have no issue with it. We shouldnt hope for some socialist response of making a more level playing field. As in life, some things are more marketable then others and the dollars generated from that marketability will be used to solidify market share...

Using this logic, maybe there should be a playoff with the same eight teams every year. Say, Texas, USC, Ohio St., Bama, Notre Dame, Michigan, OU and Florida.

The issue is not about socialism, it's about the right to compete.
 

Limey Frog

Full Member
I think somebody needs to come up with a top class, detailed presentation with accurate financial figures as to the value of a playoff, and then go to the mayors of the home cities of each of CFB's most powerful two dozen schools. Why hasn't anyone tried that angle? People keep saying that the bowl system only survives because the university presidents allow it to do so. Well, who has more to gain from convincing them to change to a play-off including home-field advantage than the mayors of their town?

I just cannot figure out why these people keep letting fans blow money in the towns and states of these useless sub-contractors in their silly colored jackets. Wouldn't the mayor of Tuscaloosa be pretty excited right now about the highly likely prospect of the Crimson Tide hosting Florida State or Oklahoma come early December?
 

rM3panno

Full Member
The BCS is and always has been anticompetitive and designed to help the "bigs" keep the cash and suppress the "mid-majors". That has not changed, even with TCU in the Big East.
If the BCS is found to be in violation of the antitrust laws, then the conferences that put it into place may well have some kind of liability - for consipiring or aiding and abetting a violation.
A treble damage claim might cut into the TV revenues that everyone is planning to spend.
Maybe we can ask to join the MWC and get the Boise game moved to Amon Carter Stadium . . .\ :ph34r:

I'd like to see the court arguments come out on this. Technically, all the conferences sign off on the current system. I know its not fair and it could easily be argued that the non-AQ conferences entered into the agreement under duress but oh would it be interesting.
 

gatorfrog

Member
Using this logic, maybe there should be a playoff with the same eight teams every year. Say, Texas, USC, Ohio St., Bama, Notre Dame, Michigan, OU and Florida.

The issue is not about socialism, it's about the right to compete.

Remove Texas and Florida, and replace them with Harvard and Yale. After all, football wouldn't be where it is without them.
 
I have a hard time with this...is it really the "Haves" vs the "Have Nots" or is it the "Founders" against the "New Guys". Football wouldnt be popular if it wasnt for many of these old teams. As much as we may Hate on Notre Dame, if it wasnt for them then football wouldnt be where it is. They brought about a national prestige. Catholics from all over the world follow them...and non catholics too. All these teams get paid because they have viewership and fans...though some schools get paid because they are in a conference with these types of schools.
My argument is that the other schools who are making less are doing so for a reason. Economics dictates that where there is demand, price goes up. If Any of the CUSA, MWC, MAC etc. conferences had true demand, they would make more and in turn could invest heavier into their programs, recruit better and compete. They are not competitive because the system is flawed, they arent competitive because they do not have the demand to drive the dollars.
Texas is popular. Like it or not they are going to make money and use it to their advantage and I have no issue with it. We shouldnt hope for some socialist response of making a more level playing field. As in life, some things are more marketable then others and the dollars generated from that marketability will be used to solidify market share. Thats American as it gets.
Look at Nevada. They are on the cusp of losing Division 1 status. Their football program needs to overcome about a Million dollar deficit and they really dont have a way to do it. This is a team that was in the top 10. They won their bowl I belive, yet they do not have the fan support to maintain their status. Its not the systems fault. If they had the fans and support then they would be in the Pac12 and earning some serious cash. The system did nothing to them...their lack of fans and support did it.
So inclusion into a BCS conference hasn't helped USF tremendously? Where do you think they fall in the "Founders" vs. "New Guys" paradigm?

Don't you think legitimate access to a D-1A playoff would, at least in part, improve market share for schools shackled to "non-Elite" conferences. I'm not thinking a spot in a playoff for a MAC champion automatically equalizes MiamiOh's "market share" to the level of Ohio State, but I suspect it helps close the gap. Probably increases the revenue available to them to invest in their program/facilities. Do you think the gap between USF and Florida/FSU/Miami grew or shrunk after USF was invited to the Big East? Do you really think inclusion in the Big East had no bearing on your answer to that question?

Professional sports leagues are not, and really never have been, "free" market. They are oligarchies that collude to put money into the owners pockets. And within their league, they are highly, highly communal. Especially the modern NFL. Capitalism and competitive sports leagues are not necessarily compatible.

And a "free market" model for college football makes even less sense, given that it's predominantly state-run public schools who have the power.

Ultimately this comes down to what the real "purpose" of college football is. If it is to spill money into the coffers of the universities with the largest alumni bases, then the BCS system is fine. If it is to entertain people with a competitive product, the NFL has shown that "free market" ain't the way to go either. I think it's ultimately supposed to be about amateur competition.

Seems an incredible perspective coming from a fan of a school who not 20 years ago didn't have a football program. So it only takes 6 years to forget that you were ever a "have not?"
 
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