cdsfrog
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agree. In college duration is HUGE
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agree. In college duration is HUGE
Houston Frog
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I don't think anyone would argue with that
In fact, I'd say that a college team's top 3 starters are more important than the closer. The question though, is whether the 4th starter is more important than the closer. You don't always need a 4th starter in the postseason, but you always need a guy who can come in and shut the other team down in a clutch situation, late in the game.
FROGDADDY
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I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at here.
jake102
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I guess Winkler is the guy who got tricked into thinking you're not supposed to get outs in Game 3 against UCLA in Omaha.
But I do agree with this statement... Purke seems to perform when stakes are the highest.
FROGDADDY
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Totally correct. Matt is a big game pitcher and you simply can't win without one of those on your team.
cdsfrog
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"if you're working off the premise that you throw your best pitcher on Friday then RIGHT NOW you can't even begin to formulate an argument that anyone other than Winkler should be on the mound that day."
never was working on that premise and my question is who would you go with Purke or Winkler.
My choice is Winkler
FROGDADDY
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And I was agreeing with you. Some of you try WAY too hard to find controversy. FWIW, Friday night isn't for guys who pitch deep into games or team leaders, it's for winners. The other two criteria should be inherant in that, but on their own aren't enough.
you can have your own opinion, but i just want to state one last time that purke was the better pitcher last year. now it may make you feel warm and fuzzy deep inside to say wink was better and that is fine, but to say that it is true that wink was better last year just isnt true.
and you can see them all you want and you have seen them throw many more times than i, but that still doesnt change the numbers. purke was more effective last year, case closed.
you can say what you want this year, i think they are pretty even and the stats are very inconclusive due to low innings.
i am going to go out on a limb and say you dont have much use for FIP, WAR, BABIP, etc. either. but man that chris davis looks good out there on the ball field, he should be starting!!!
cdsfrog
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no controversy just curious for your opinion, as you like both pitchers. Not trying to be antagonistic, more just curious. Boring day at the office
cdsfrog
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I like all this heated debate stuff, keep it coming.
jake102
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FWIW, although Maxwell's ERA isn't where it was last year, besides one really bad inning, he has been pretty steady. I like steady. I don't like 5 innings out of a starting pitcher. Especially when I look at box scores at it's Cole at 9 innings, Bauer at 9 innings, Jungmann at 8 innings, etc.
I think there's a lot of value in being able to count on your starter going at least 7, especially in a year where we are a little weaker in the bullpen.
I think there's a lot of value in being able to count on your starter going at least 7, especially in a year where we are a little weaker in the bullpen.
FROGDADDY
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Last year Purke. This year Winkler. Might be someone else come June.
cdsfrog
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cool. Like that mitchell kid too, never seems to be shaken on the mound. then again it's only 30 innings so far and he's a freshman
Tell that to the NY Yankees.
I think Schloss agrees with you, and he judges that criteria frequently. In the past 1.4 seasons, he has changed Friday starter several times: Purke 13 (calling both of his Omaha starts Friday starts), Winkler 6, Maxwell 5. Schloss goes with the guy most likely to win on Friday.
Sangria Wine
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I think it's right to try this. I believe it sets us up - potentially - better come post season which is really all that matters. We need a lock down closer to develop. Ideally we need a guy who can get strikeouts to get out of the jams that closers are so often put in to. To be honest the best closer on the team would be Purke but that ain't happening I don't think.
Btw, in the off season the discussion seemed to be that Purke needed to become more efficient in his pitch count and work to get more ground outs early in the count with less emphasis placed on the strikeout because of the elevated pitch counts that ensue with that style. I don't believe the notion that Purke is on a five inning rule like some have mentioned, I just think his pitch count keeps limiting his innings.
Btw, in the off season the discussion seemed to be that Purke needed to become more efficient in his pitch count and work to get more ground outs early in the count with less emphasis placed on the strikeout because of the elevated pitch counts that ensue with that style. I don't believe the notion that Purke is on a five inning rule like some have mentioned, I just think his pitch count keeps limiting his innings.
Pharm Frog
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If the announced attendance is north of 200, I'll chuckle.... Just saw a CF shot and there's nobody home.....
Spike
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It was announced around 3000. There were more than 200, but I suspect less than 1,000. There are always late arrivers, but down 4-0 in that weather several were leaving very early.
