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<blockquote data-quote="JogginFrog" data-source="post: 3162601" data-attributes="member: 4994"><p>I was mostly just stirring the pot. Appreciate your willingness to jump in. </p><p></p><p>I understand your argument (as it relates to football and hoops) to be based on 3 points:</p><p>1. Expansive playoff fields cheapen the regular season. So do autobids handed out via conference tournaments.</p><p>2. Small-conference teams are not legitimate championship contenders. It would be best to reduce the D1 pool to 100 schools or fewer; in lieu of that, the NCAA need not feel obligated to offer every D1 school a path to a national championship.</p><p>3. Single-elimination tournaments (especially in basketball) are not the best format to determine a legitimate national champ.</p><p></p><p>For reference, NCAA baseball has 290 D1 teams in 31 conferences.</p><p></p><p>Ole Miss 2022 doesn't invalidate any of the points above. It has survived a much more thorough post-season test than a 6-round single-elimination hoops tourney at neutral sites. But it's valid to argue that the 5th-place team in the SEC West shouldn't have made the post-season in the first place, even with the talent to run the table. </p><p></p><p>My issue (as we argued a few months ago) is not with points 1 or 3, but with point 2. And Ole Miss isn't an argument against that point, either. But Fresno State 2008 is. The Bulldogs were WAC regular season and tournament champs, but with a 37-27 record they were given a 4 seed by the committee. Given their placement in regionals, they were viewed in the band of teams ranked 49th-56th. They then won a four-team double-elimination regional on the road, won 2-of-3 at #3 Arizona State, and won 5 games in Omaha, all against teams ranked in the top 8. </p><p></p><p>[USER=71571]@Moose Stuff[/USER] was right to point out the quality of the post-season format in baseball. Teams have to be excellent to advance at each stage--and the best regular-season teams get home-field advantage until the final eight. It's hard to argue that Fresno State wasn't a deserving champ. And it won its D1 conference. But without an auto-bid, it would not have made a committee-selected field of 16, 24, 32 or 48. </p><p></p><p>Fresno State 2008 is why I think every D1 conference champ (preferably regular-season) gets a post-season bid, no matter the sport. And with 31 of those (32 in hoops), it's hard to justify a bracket with fewer than 48 teams. So, you fill out the field with at-large bids based on regular-season performance. And that's how you get Ole Miss (which played the 5th-strongest schedule in the country) one win away from a title. Which is OK by me.</p><p></p><p>I'm not asking you to agree with me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JogginFrog, post: 3162601, member: 4994"] I was mostly just stirring the pot. Appreciate your willingness to jump in. I understand your argument (as it relates to football and hoops) to be based on 3 points: 1. Expansive playoff fields cheapen the regular season. So do autobids handed out via conference tournaments. 2. Small-conference teams are not legitimate championship contenders. It would be best to reduce the D1 pool to 100 schools or fewer; in lieu of that, the NCAA need not feel obligated to offer every D1 school a path to a national championship. 3. Single-elimination tournaments (especially in basketball) are not the best format to determine a legitimate national champ. For reference, NCAA baseball has 290 D1 teams in 31 conferences. Ole Miss 2022 doesn't invalidate any of the points above. It has survived a much more thorough post-season test than a 6-round single-elimination hoops tourney at neutral sites. But it's valid to argue that the 5th-place team in the SEC West shouldn't have made the post-season in the first place, even with the talent to run the table. My issue (as we argued a few months ago) is not with points 1 or 3, but with point 2. And Ole Miss isn't an argument against that point, either. But Fresno State 2008 is. The Bulldogs were WAC regular season and tournament champs, but with a 37-27 record they were given a 4 seed by the committee. Given their placement in regionals, they were viewed in the band of teams ranked 49th-56th. They then won a four-team double-elimination regional on the road, won 2-of-3 at #3 Arizona State, and won 5 games in Omaha, all against teams ranked in the top 8. [USER=71571]@Moose Stuff[/USER] was right to point out the quality of the post-season format in baseball. Teams have to be excellent to advance at each stage--and the best regular-season teams get home-field advantage until the final eight. It's hard to argue that Fresno State wasn't a deserving champ. And it won its D1 conference. But without an auto-bid, it would not have made a committee-selected field of 16, 24, 32 or 48. Fresno State 2008 is why I think every D1 conference champ (preferably regular-season) gets a post-season bid, no matter the sport. And with 31 of those (32 in hoops), it's hard to justify a bracket with fewer than 48 teams. So, you fill out the field with at-large bids based on regular-season performance. And that's how you get Ole Miss (which played the 5th-strongest schedule in the country) one win away from a title. Which is OK by me. I'm not asking you to agree with me. [/QUOTE]
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